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Not that I speak for all Aztec fans, but I think a majority of people still support the move. If it was for all sports just about everybody would be in board. The problem many people have is sticking basketball in the Big West. The idea if playing in front of 600 people at UC Irvine is pretty sickening. How much you hate the Big West really dictates whether you are in favor of the move or against it.

Had Aresco invited a UNLV, Fresno, etc. and made a full western all sports conference the MWC would be dead. Instead we got Tulane. I love the idea of being aligned with UCONN, Cincinnati, etc. instead of Wyoming and New Mexico but at this point I'm not sure it's worth the Big West hassle. I hope SDSU can avoid being Boise's bitch in the MWC but Aresco hasn't done enough (anything?) to expand the west.

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lath19 said:
Not that I speak for all Aztec fans, but I think a majority of people still support the move. If it was for all sports just about everybody would be in board. The problem many people have is sticking basketball in the Big West. The idea if playing in front of 600 people at UC Irvine is pretty sickening. How much you hate the Big West really dictates whether you are in favor of the move or against it.

Had Aresco invited a UNLV, Fresno, etc. and made a full western all sports conference the MWC would be dead. Instead we got Tulane. I love the idea of being aligned with UCONN, Cincinnati, etc. instead of Wyoming and New Mexico but at this point I'm not sure it's worth the Big West hassle. I hope SDSU can avoid being Boise's bitch in the MWC but Aresco hadn't done enough (anything?) to expand the west.

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I think the thing that will make a Big East move more palatable for the Aztec fans (outside of a hopeful increase in payout) is the fact that we have language written into our contract that will get SDSU good basketball games on the east coast. Obviously, Louisville and GTown will no longer be part of that arrangement, but you will likely be linked to teams like UConn, Cincy, Memphis, and Temple.

Yeah, it will probably suck to play against the likes of UC-Davis in league games, but your OOC will be pretty good. In either case, I wish SDSU good luck. If they decide to stick it out with the Big East, you will have made an extra fan in Connecticut (except for when you play us, of course, at which point I will temporarily hate your guts)... ;)
 
Great article explaining SDSU's dilemma. I started this thread wanting SDSU back to the MWC in the worst way. Now I am a fan of SDSU staying in the NBE despite the barriers. I only see it working out however if there are east/west divisions. Aresco seems set on SDSU staying so I hope that by reaching out to Fresno and UNLV that he has something like that in mind and that the TV revenue is there to make it happen. Hopefully the BE is not too late. If Aresco can weaken the MWC enough than perhaps Boise comes back grovelling. Or screw Boise and let em rot in the MWC.

The MWC has set an end date for this showdown between them and the BE. Our Susan Herbst has come out once again publicizing Uconn's commitment to the conference which I think was to provide further support to the BE as it fights to maintain SDSU. Let the war commence!
 
DW4UCONN said:
Great article explaining SDSU's dilemma. I started this thread wanting SDSU back to the MWC in the worst way. Now I am a fan of SDSU staying in the NBE despite the barriers. I only see it working out however if there are east/west divisions. Aresco seems set on SDSU staying so I hope that by reaching out to Fresno and UNLV that he has something like that in mind and that the TV revenue is there to make it happen. Hopefully the BE is not too late. If Aresco can weaken the MWC enough than perhaps Boise comes back grovelling. Or screw Boise and let em rot in the MWC.

The MWC has set an end date for this showdown between them and the BE. Our Susan Herbst has come out once again publicizing Uconn's commitment to the conference which I think was to provide further support to the BE as it fights to maintain SDSU. Let the war commence!
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I'm sure a MWC university or two could be enticed to leave if/when Aresco gets some media numbers and that could result in the MWC really taking a hit. Should be interesting to see how things develop. And of course the SEC and B!G are still rumbling.
 
The Big East should take a look at Texas San Antonio. They already average 35,000 per game in the Alamodome and they are the only football team in San Antonio. Huge upside there, they could be the next decade's Boise State.
 
I don't think it's the eastern schools who had a problem with SDSU basketball. Isn't this SDSU's idea? Because for the eastern schools, this means traveling to San Diego once a year. That's not a problem. The problem is SDSU flying east constantly.
 
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I believe the BE can lock up SDSU by bringing in another school west of the Rockies. I doubt they could afford to rejoin the MWC if they had to pony up the $5 million exit fee plus the Big West exit fee. I am feeling more confident that the new BE TV contract will be attractive enough to keep SDSU interested, but can SDSU take that chance? I think we lock them in and then do what is in the best interests of the NBE and SDSU and I think that is to work out a TV contract based on an east and west divisional conference. Solves SDSU problems and makes for a nice coast to coast conference. Let Aresco work the logistics if he really wants to have SDSU and also a viable conference...... while keeping in mind he should also be nice to the C7.
 
It took me awhile to remember where I read the "west of the Rockies" clause. Came from an article written by Mark Blaudschun (A Jersey Guy) which states:

"When San Diego and Boise State made their original decision to join the Big East last year, a clause in the agreement allowed San Diego State to back out of the deal without penalty if there was no other school west of the Rocky Mountains (Boise State) in the new 12 team configuration of the Big East."

Maybe I am interpreting it wrong. Is it specifically Boise or is it simply SDSU needs a partner west of the Rockies?

Link http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=4602
 
I found an ESPN article that says the same thing ... perhaps Blaudschun's source? It's titled "Big East Needs More Clarity"and reaffirms "west of the Rockies". This quote from the article however really bothers me:
In an interview with The Associated Press, commissioner Mike Aresco said he just wants an answer from San Diego State so the Big East can try and move forward.
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In my opinion, Aresco just has to concern himself with securing SDSU with a partner west of the Rockies and they are hooked. If he can't do that then why bother asking SDSU what they want. Just let them go. His comments of late have been weak. He wants to be nice to the C7 as well. Why not beat C7 to the best BB schools out there? The BE needs to make some bold moves or they are going to get rolled.
 
I don't know why Aresco hasn't quit yet. This league is run by idiots, and the chief idiot appears to work in the Wilbur Cross building in Storrs, CT. Who else could possibly be blocking a western division but Herbst? Who thought Tulane was a good idea? SMU and Houston are sniffing around the MWC, and the Big East schools are digging their heels in? WTF is going on?
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I don't know why Aresco hasn't quit yet. This league is run by idiots, and the chief idiot appears to work in the Wilbur Cross building in Storrs, CT. Who else could possibly be blocking a western division but Herbst? Who thought Tulane was a good idea? SMU and Houston are sniffing around the MWC, and the Big East schools are digging their heels in? WTF is going on?
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You are making the critical mistake of applying logic.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I don't know why Aresco hasn't quit yet. This league is run by idiots, and the chief idiot appears to work in the Wilbur Cross building in Storrs, CT. Who else could possibly be blocking a western division but Herbst? Who thought Tulane was a good idea? SMU and Houston are sniffing around the MWC, and the Big East schools are digging their heels in? WTF is going on?
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It's honestly beginning to seriously scare me that Herbst has no clue of what is going on and has sense of the magnitude and dire situation we find ourselves in by being in the Big East.

I truly think she is absolutely clueless and just doesn't get it from an athletics standpoint.
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
It's honestly beginning to seriously scare me that Herbst has no clue of what is going on and has sense of the magnitude and dire situation we find ourselves in by being in the Big East.

I truly think she is absolutely clueless and just doesn't get it from an athletics standpoint.
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I tend to agree. That, combined with an AD who is new to big time college athletics has me very concerned. I think JC and McHugh are the ones who who are going to have to clarify the importance of remainig relevant athletically
 
Herbst clearly values research and academics (and high IQs) very, very much. Her family is involved in running elite institutions, Colgate and UConn. Say what you want about Memphis. Their biggest booster is a Yale graduate.
 
upstater said:
I don't think it's the eastern schools who had a problem with SDSU basketball. Isn't this SDSU's idea? Because for the eastern schools, this means traveling to San Diego once a year. That's not a problem. The problem is SDSU flying east constantly.
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And not just basketball. Soccer, baseball, volleyball etc. if they are in, it's just for FB.
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I don't know why Aresco hasn't quit yet. This league is run by idiots, and the chief idiot appears to work in the Wilbur Cross building in Storrs, CT. Who else could possibly be blocking a western division but Herbst? Who thought Tulane was a good idea? SMU and Houston are sniffing around the MWC, and the Big East schools are digging their heels in? WTF is going on?
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Western division in all sports is a terrible idea. It will not work. That's why it isn't being pursued.

When the expected payout for the C7 for basketball is more than the MWC gets for hoops and football, what does that tell you? Those schools are entirely dilutive. And those markets will not tune in for Saturday morning football or weekday basketball at 3:00 pm. We need to stick to two time zones. Add ECU for all sports and we are at 10. Then decide whether schools like Tulsa, Rice or Southern Miss fit.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Western division in all sports is a terrible idea. It will not work. That's why it isn't being pursued.

When the expected payout for the C7 for basketball is more than the MWC gets for hoops and football, what does that tell you? Those schools are entirely dilutive. And those markets will not tune in for Saturday morning football or weekday basketball at 3:00 pm. We need to stick to two time zones. Add ECU for all sports and we are at 10. Then decide whether schools like Tulsa, Rice or Southern Miss fit.
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LMAO. In the same paragraph you say adding MTN West schools would be dilutive, then suggest adding schools like Tulsa, Rice or Southern Miss in addition to the hot garbage we already have in Tulsa and East Carolina.

Have you see C-USA's TV contract? What does that tell you?

Just stop the madness. Why for the love of god, if ECU agreed to football-only would you add them for all sports? Talk about diluting a product, just holy . ECU is probably one of the worst basketball programs in America and you want them on UConn's schedule twice a season?
 
HuskyHawk said:
Western division in all sports is a terrible idea. It will not work. That's why it isn't being pursued.

When the expected payout for the C7 for basketball is more than the MWC gets for hoops and football, what does that tell you? Those schools are entirely dilutive. And those markets will not tune in for Saturday morning football or weekday basketball at 3:00 pm. We need to stick to two time zones. Add ECU for all sports and we are at 10. Then decide whether schools like Tulsa, Rice or Southern Miss fit.
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You're posting on a faulty premise, basing game start times on the Eastern time zone. A Western division is perfect for start times later in the day: Football 7 P.M., 10 P.M. Basketball 9 P.M. 11 P.M. Eastern. Fox Sports & NBC Sports need live programming for those time slots. That's prime time on the left coast.
 
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coachcap said:
You're posting on a faulty premise, basing game start times on the Eastern time zone. A Western division is perfect for start times later in the day: Football 7 P.M., 10 P.M. Basketball 9 P.M. 11 P.M. Eastern. Fox Sports & NBC Sports need live programming for those time slots. That's prime time on the left coast.
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Know what works even better?

Mountain West games for those time slots.
 
ConnHuskBask said:
LMAO. In the same paragraph you say adding MTN West schools would be dilutive, then suggest adding schools like Tulsa, Rice or Southern Miss in addition to the hot garbage we already have in Tulsa and East Carolina.

Have you see C-USA's TV contract? What does that tell you?

Just stop the madness. Why for the love of god, if ECU agreed to football-only would you add them for all sports? Talk about diluting a product, just holy . ECU is probably one of the worst basketball programs in America and you want them on UConn's schedule twice a season?
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Simply put, I don't think hybrid leagues work well either. I'd rather dump ECU and Tulane altogether. But they have an invite already. If SDSU wants to come for just football...alone, then of course we keep ECU as football only as well.
 
coachcap said:
You're posting on a faulty premise, basing game start times on the Eastern time zone. A Western division is perfect for start times later in the day: Football 7 P.M., 10 P.M. Basketball 9 P.M. 11 P.M. Eastern. Fox Sports & NBC Sports need live programming for those time slots. That's prime time on the left coast.
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There is no way you're going to have a league with enough "western" schools that they can simply play themselves. They will need to play on the east coast at 7:00, and the ratings for those games will suck out west. Then UConn and others will need to play in the west, at 10:00 eastern, and the rating for those games will suck on the east coast. There's a reason Monday Night football moved to 8:30. You cannot get decent ratings nationally for any game that ends after about 11:30 eastern.

Yes, there may be some value with a local west coast focused sports network, but the value of western sports on a national level is inherently lower than it would be in the east or central.
 
From Andy Katz:

3. The remaining Big East athletic directors will meet in Dallas on Jan. 11 to discuss their latest moves, including the update on the television negotiations. Tulsa and UMass have been discussed as possible additions if the Big East decides to expand, according to multiple sources. Rice and Southern Miss were also tossed around. Meanwhile, the Mountain West expects to move on San Diego State by the end of this week, according to a league source. The MWC has to decide if it will go to 12 or 14. The MWC has interest in SMU and Houston, but SMU has let it be known to the MWC it has no interest as the Mustangs and Cougars are set to go to the Big East. UTEP desperately wants to be in the MWC, according to a source, and is on the MWC list. BYU is the first choice for the MWC but at this juncture the Cougars want to remain independent in football, WCC in other sports.

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebask...1927/3-point-shot-florida-without-erik-murphy
 
HuskyHawk said:
Western division in all sports is a terrible idea. It will not work. That's why it isn't being pursued.

When the expected payout for the C7 for basketball is more than the MWC gets for hoops and football, what does that tell you? Those schools are entirely dilutive. And those markets will not tune in for Saturday morning football or weekday basketball at 3:00 pm. We need to stick to two time zones. Add ECU for all sports and we are at 10. Then decide whether schools like Tulsa, Rice or Southern Miss fit.
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The MWC is locked into a contract they signed almost 10 years ago, so that is a completely ignorant comparison. The existence of that terrible deal is the only reason the Big East has the upper hand right now.

Obviously, a western division is not ideal, but the western schools want to join the Big East. If they don't, their conference will be better than ours in both basketball and football. Why would the Big East pursue a strategy where that is the obvious outcome?

East: UConn, ECU, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, Temple, Memphis
West: SMU, Houston, SDSU, Tulane (I would not be against simply dropping them), Fresno, UNLV, New Mexico

All sports. I don't think anyone expects Navy to actually play a game in this league, so let's leave them out for now. If Navy shows up, we offer Air Force a football only, which they would probably accept and try to park their other sports in the MVC.

Football schedule: Every division team plus 2 from the opposite league every year. The SEC made it work. If you end up at 16, break into pods.

Basketball: Home and home within the division, play 6 from the opposite division. There would be a total of THREE cross country trips per school, and some of those would only be as far as Texas for UConn.

Sample UConn basketball schedule:

Home: ECU, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, Temple, Memphis, SDSU, Fresno, Tulane
Away: ECU, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, Temple, Memphis, Houston, UNLV, New Mexico

Sample UConn Football schedule:

Home: ECU, Cincinnati, USF, Fresno
Away: Temple, Memphis, UCF, SMU

Obviously not the old Big East, but that ship has already sailed. This is a lot better choice than dropping the western schools and having the MWC be better than our league in both football and basketball.
 
HuskyHawk said:
Simply put, I don't think hybrid leagues work well either. I'd rather dump ECU and Tulane altogether. But they have an invite already. If SDSU wants to come for just football...alone, then of course we keep ECU as football only as well.
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Its not the hybrid model that failed. I can't can't stress that enough. The Big East just didn't have enough programs with national cache and other conferences were always able to offer a more lucrative deal.

In all actuality the football schools screwed themselves by not sticking together and bolting at the first chance.

I mean, say the C7 joined the B1G or SEC, would the hybrid model all of a sudden fail?
 
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ConnHuskBask said:
Its not the hybrid model that failed. I can't can't stress that enough. The Big East just didn't have enough programs with national cache and other conferences were always able to offer a more lucrative deal.

In all actuality the football schools screwed themselves by not sticking together and bolting at the first chance.

I mean, say the C7 joined the B1G or SEC, would the hybrid model all of a sudden fail?
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I have done the math elsewhere, so I won't revisit it here. TV networks have committed to over $300MM PER YEAR in incremental revenues to various conferences resulting from those conferences adding Big East teams. That is the value of the 6 departing football schools and the C7 to television. The only reason the Big East didn't get that money is the terrible exclusive deal that the Big East signed with ESPN. If you want to boil UConn's demise down to one fact, THAT is the fact.
 
The Mountain West is waiting on San Diego State to make a decision, but UNLV athletic director Jim Livengood doesn't expect a long wait.

"I think we'll know something in the next three or four days," Livengood said Monday. "I would be shocked if it was not this week, but you never know."

"My sense is they are" returning, he said. "The thing is you don't know what the Big East is doing, what concessions are being made. The Big East is in a tough spot."
 
I believe SDSU is the one in the tough spot. They have a tough decision to make. I am not so sure the Big East has it's heart all in here.
 
Reports from SDSU fan boards that the Aztecs are returning to the MWC.
 
There is nothing new here really. SDSU apparently, and hurtfully so, slammed the MWC door shut on their way out and now find themselves begging and scratching at that very door while the MWC listens and ponders things. Could take until the end of the month and the only question remains concerning the terms of replacing that door. All the while Aresco stands by with nothing more to say about SDSU. The Big East is merely a safety net at this point.
 
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