Rumor du Jour

[Jericho]

What conference really considers FSU a prize? The only conference that wants FSU other than the ACC is the Big12. Florida would block them in the SEC/SEC doesn't need them to increase market, they're too academically inferior for the B1G, and too far for the PAC.

FSU will definitely recruit better. They get to increase their profile playing up to 4 Texas schools. Go to their roster profile on ESPN and see that they have exactly 3 players from Texas. The vast majority of their team is from the state of Florida with Georgia being second. If FSU was recruiting really well, they'd have a more nationally diverse team.

The Big 12 is the realistic alternative for FSU, but they're by far the Big 12's best option. Do you really think that the Big 12 will fill up on other schools not named FSU? FSU will get taken care of. They don't have to worry about schools "stealing" their spots (and honestly, who is going to go Big 12 if FSU doesn't). That allows FSU to be very patient.

As for recruiting, most schools recruit local. That's no suprise. But your kidding yourself if you think FSU is not doing well. According to ESPN rankings, their 2012 class was #2 in the nation (behind Alabama). 2011 was #1 overall. 2010 was #6. 2009 was #8. They're doing just fine. The idea they're going to get this windfall of Texas recruits by playing one (maybe 2) games a year there seems misguided.

 

[Jericho]

And yet in all three polls that determine the rankings, FSU (11-2) is ranked behind all the other two-loss SEC teams. That's even in spite of the fact that FSU won its conference and the other two loss SEC teams didn't. I'd say perception has something to do with that.

But the SEC isn't on the table. The Big 12 is. And FSU is right behind Oklahoma a 2 loss Oklahoma team in the polls.

 

[Jericho]

Yes a committee decides and due to strength of schedule and peoples' high perception of the SEC, you can bet 2 SEC teams will make the playoffs every year. That leaves 2 spots for 4 conferences champions (not even including a good notre dame). The only way FSU gets in is if they go undefeated.

Doubtful. If you had a playoff this year, the likely participants would be Notre Dame, Alabama, Kansas State and Stanford. Getting two schools in will need several conferences (and Notre Dame) to have off years. I don't see how you can take a non-division champ Florida over a conference champ like Stanford. Hell, I don't see how you can take Florida over Georgia.

 

[RealCT12]

Doubtful. If you had a playoff this year, the likely participants would be Notre Dame, Alabama, Kansas State and Stanford. Getting two schools in will need several conferences (and Notre Dame) to have off years. I don't see how you can take a non-division champ Florida over a conference champ like Stanford. Hell, I don't see how you can take Florida over Georgia.

Just look back to last year. Oklahoma State won their conference with one loss. Alabama also had one loss and didn't play in their conference championship game. Yet Alabama got the nod over Okla St. Just because you're a conference champion, doesn't mean you'd make the playoff over other teams. Should Wisconsin make the playoff this year (if there was one) since they won the B1G?

 

[RealCT12]

But the SEC isn't on the table. The Big 12 is. And FSU is right behind Oklahoma a 2 loss Oklahoma team in the polls.

My post was in response to someone saying FSU was helped by perception in the polls. What I said was that 4 SEC teams with the same records as ACC champ FSU were ranked ahead of them. It had nothing to do with FSU's shot at the SEC. The weak perception of the ACC hurts them in the polls when compared to other conferences.

 

[tzznandrew]

Just look back to last year. Oklahoma State won their conference with one loss. Alabama also had one loss and didn't play in their conference championship game. Yet Alabama got the nod over Okla St. Just because you're a conference champion, doesn't mean you'd make the playoff over other teams. Should Wisconsin make the playoff this year (if there was one) since they won the B1G?

You're overcomplicating this. It's not so much conference, as where you start and when you lose. Alabama was ranked #2 when undefeated on Oct. 30. Then they lost a 3 point overtime game to LSU and fell to #4 the next week, behind all other BCS undefeated teams, but stayed ahead of Boise (biased reasons, we would agree), and the other 1 loss teams. That's because some of them, like Oregon, had gotten beat by LSU by more than Alabama did.

If Stanford or OSU won out, they would have been ahead of Alabama and played LSU. They didn't. I still think that OSU should have went to the BCS title game, but that is irrelevant. It's where you start, when you lose, and how much you lose by.

In years with a tournament, I think you'll see conference champions (with good records and not terrible losses) be privileged over non-conference champs. B12 was furious last year, I think rightly.

 

[RealCT12]

You're overcomplicating this. It's not so much conference, as where you start and when you lose. Alabama was ranked #2 when undefeated on Oct. 30. Then they lost a 3 point overtime game to LSU and fell to #4 the next week, behind all other BCS undefeated teams, but stayed ahead of Boise (biased reasons, we would agree), and the other 1 loss teams. That's because some of them, like Oregon, had gotten beat by LSU by more than Alabama did.

If Stanford or OSU won out, they would have been ahead of Alabama and played LSU. They didn't. I still think that OSU should have went to the BCS title game, but that is irrelevant. It's where you start, when you lose, and how much you lose by.

In years with a tournament, I think you'll see conference champions (with good records and not terrible losses) be privileged over non-conference champs. B12 was furious last year, I think rightly.

I agree with what you're saying too, especially that Okla St was robbed last year. SEC year in and year out are going to be overly ranked high and they're gonna have multiple teams in the top 5 every year, resulting in the potential of more than one playoff berth. In my opinion, winning the PAC doesn't excuse Stanford's loss to Washington. Just because you win your conference, it doesn't mean you are one of the top 4 teams in the country. The two top teams may very well be from the same conference.

 

[kyleslamb]

Given that UT's athletic department approves everything Chip puts up on his blog, this is a pretty powerful confirmation of the rumors.

And not just approve. Dictate.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

So what it sounds like is that when and if UConn ever gets into the ACC, the ACC really won't be the ACC we've all hoped for. It'll be more like . . . Well . . . . The Big East.

 

[HuskyHawk]

They get two chances to prove themselves every year - dominate the ACC and beat a decent Florida team. If they do that they will be playoff bound. If they don't do that then they don't deserve to be playoff bound.

On top of that they will be playing ND fairly often.

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