Requeim for a heavyweight

[ctfjr]

Sometimes I wonder if the Vols are going to end up being the next ODU or LaTech. They were both on top of the game, and then, seemingly overnight...gone. I hope not.

Oh yeah, me too - errr rather couldn't happen fast enough to such a fine program and wonderful group of fans

 

[Icebear]

Why is the committe so oppposed to putting UConn in the same bracket as Tenn?

They aren't.

 

[Zorro]

1. There is no way things will improve with Holly as Head Coach.
2. Hart is happy with Holly, as witness Arty's post above. He is not going to buy out a contract that he just extended with high praise.
3. Holly is not going to resign a $600,000 a year job just because the UT fans are unhappy. (Would you?) And I am guessing that she still thinks she can turn things around. And no one else is likely to offer her such a well-paying job.
4. Holly will be there at least through 2019.
5. The party is over at Rocky Top, at least through this decade.

My problem with all this is that, to really put the cherry on the whipped cream, I need the Husky's to whomp someone I have a really active dislike for. I always actively disliked Pat, even before "the incident"; I very actively disliked the inner circle of UT fans; I just can't work up that level of dislike for ND/Muffet (how can you really loathe someone named Muffet?) much less for SCar/Dawn. And Md/ Brenda only a skosh. And who else is there to despise, and maybe fear just a little? I know it is immature of me but I get much more satisfaction out of smushing bad guys than good guys or even the slightly annoying. That is why I miss the Evil Empire. R.I.P.

 

[reno tony]

As a Yankee fan I developed a hatred for George Steinbrenner. Then one day, while discussing said hatred, someone said that everything he does is to improve the team. After thinking about that for a while, my hatred went away and I started to like George again. I think Pat was the same way with TENN. Whatever she did, incident included, she did to help TENN WBB. My comment doesn't mean I agree with everything she did, just the motivation behind her actions. Cast stones if you will, but she set a standard that is hard to meet. She isn't there anymore and the program is suffering because of it. Now let the rebuke begin!

 

[MJL243]

As a Yankee fan I developed a hatred for George Steinbrenner. Then one day, while discussing said hatred, someone said that everything he does is to improve the team. After thinking about that for a while, my hatred went away and I started to like George again. I think Pat was the same way with TENN. Whatever she did, incident included, she did to help TENN WBB. My comment doesn't mean I agree with everything she did, just the motivation behind her actions. Cast stones if you will, but she set a standard that is hard to meet. She isn't there anymore and the program is suffering because of it. Now let the rebuke begin!

So smearing your competitors is OK, if it's done to help you win?

 

[Zorro]

One more short post and then I will shut up.
1) Imho, everything PHS did was NOT for wcbb and NOT for "the team", it was for PHS and her ego needs. What really turned me anti-SDummitt was not "Geno Cheats" incident, but rather the way she threw her team under the bus after they lost a game in the playoffs (Catch's sr. season, maybe?) Instead of trying to console her kids, who had just lost the game of their lives in spite of playing their hearts out, she dumped on them, badly. Good people don't do that. She was not that much different from McCallie in that regard.
2) It occurs to me that Olde Coache, our late lamented comrade, predicted the end of the EE over ten years ago, before Pat's illness and departure and before "the incident". And, except for the blip caused by the Parker era, he was exactly right. He posited that Pat's strategic style, which she was unable to bring herself to change, even with Harry's input, was archaic and outmoded, and could not stand up to modern strategic innovations. It is entirely probable that had her unfortunate illness not occurred and were she still coaching, the LV would still be only a shadow of their glory years selves. imho.

 

[calpedaler]

One more short post and then I will shut up.
1) Imho, everything PHS did was NOT for wcbb and NOT for "the team", it was for PHS and her ego needs. What really turned me anti-SDummitt was not "Geno Cheats" incident, but rather the way she threw her team under the bus after they lost a game in the playoffs (Catch's sr. season, maybe?) Instead of trying to console her kids, who had just lost the game of their lives in spite of playing their hearts out, she dumped on them, badly. Good people don't do that. She was not that much different from McCallie in that regard.
2) It occurs to me that Olde Coache, our late lamented comrade, predicted the end of the EE over ten years ago, before Pat's illness and departure and before "the incident". And, except for the blip caused by the Parker era, he was exactly right. He posited that Pat's strategic style, which she was unable to bring herself to change, even with Harry's input, was archaic and outmoded, and could not stand up to modern strategic innovations. It is entirely probable that had her unfortunate illness not occurred and were she still coaching, the LV would still be only a shadow of their glory years selves. imho.

Ah, that was the "I'm more disappointed in them than for them" post game press conference.

 

[SCGamecock]

Well if UT doesn't want to continue the tradition of playing UCONN, I hope we continue playing UCONN. It hasn't paid dividends with a win yet but hopefully playing UCONN pays off for our program in the long term.

I do enjoy the exposure SC WBB gets now.. and part of that is due to UCONN. Every time UCONN is mentioned, that February 8th game versus SC is also mentioned.. and that exposure is nothing but good for a program that's still new to being very good.

 

[Joe6cats]

If threads got rewards, this one deserves a Gold Medal. Congrats to Raccoon Swordsman and his OP.

Good arguments on both sides, but I favor the "hoping they improve" side. Do they deserve their current misery? Who cares? I'm pretty sure Geno doesn't. I'm not just pitching nostalgia. Geno wants WCBB quality to improve. Who does it help to watch a legendary program do a big ugly belly-flop? Me, I'd love to see one of their superstar smart alums like Kara Lawson or Tamika Catchings come in and try to right the ship.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

a skosh.

A skosh! Haven't seen the word used in 29 years! A dash splashed. Lovely word really. But, I have no problem disliking all the mentioned coaches. My favs are Muffet over her lack of class at the NCAAs 2 years ago and Ms. Frese over her green with envy comments a while back that essentially said a turnip could coach and win with UConn's troops. Such stupidity earns a permanent stain on the blouse for me. Besides, fandom has 2 important aspects - team adulation and opponent ...umh ... intense dislike.

 

[RockyMTblue2]

February 8th game

Feb. 9th Game. Apparently not mentioned often enough! "Every time UCONN is mentioned, that February 8th game versus SC is also mentioned". That's a puzzle. Where? It was fun, but for UConn it was the 18th victory in their 21 1-2 match up games.

 

[DaddyChoc]

no need to "dislike" any other team besides Tennessee, they were UConn's toughest competition of all-time. If the accusations were never made the feelings would still be the same. (not by me)
*except the Parker era? that's like saying take away the Taurasi era!
You can deny it, if you want to be totally believed.

 

[trb123]

Plagiarizing Schlesinger.

1. The Crisis of the Old Order: 2000-2012

LA Tech makes attempts to resurrect themselves ending in failure.
Tennessee starts it downward spiral.
Old Dominion wisely sits on its hands.

2. The Coming of the New Deal: 2012-2016(?)

Uconn establishes its supremacy with 11 (counting our chickens ahead) National Championships.
ND impresses with trips to FF.
SCAR and Maryland emerge as contender.
Baylor legitimizes its claims with a second championship.

3. The Politics of Upheaval: 2016 and beyond

P5 flexes its muscles as more of its members (Texas, Ohio State, Kentucky et al) jostle for supremacy.

 

[SCGamecock]

Feb. 9th Game. Apparently not mentioned often enough! "Every time UCONN is mentioned, that February 8th game versus SC is also mentioned". That's a puzzle. Where? It was fun, but for UConn it was the 18th victory in their 21 1-2 match up games.

Have you watched a UCONN or SC game where a commentator didn't talk about the SC/UCONN matchup? Even when analyzing the upcoming schedule? Color me surprise blue if you have. Every UCONN game I've watched SC was mentioned at least once.. so regardless of UCONN's record in 1-2 match ups, it's still a big game in the sport.

Apparently your dates are off as well because SC plays UCONN on February 8th... I'm not sure who UCONN plays on the 9th but it's not the Gamecocks.

 

[j66kicker]

Have you watched a UCONN or SC game where a commentator didn't talk about the SC/UCONN matchup? Even when analyzing the upcoming schedule? Color me surprise blue if you have. Every UCONN game I've watched SC was mentioned at least once.. so regardless of UCONN's record in 1-2 match ups, it's still a big game in the sport.

Apparently your dates are off as well because SC plays UCONN on February 8th... I'm not sure who UCONN plays on the 9th but it's not the Gamecocks.

Last season's game was on Feb 9 - suspect that's what RMB2 thought you meant originally

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Last season's game was on Feb 9 - suspect that's what RMB2 thought you meant originally

Bingo j66

 

[RockyMTblue2]

Have you watched a UCONN or SC game where a commentator didn't talk about the SC/UCONN matchup?

Most. Not meaning to say it is not the marque game of the season - it is. Just, no, it has not been an item of not for the in-game chatter heads.

 

[reno tony]

So smearing your competitors is OK, if it's done to help you win?

Please read the post again and pay special attention to the following sentence... " My comment doesn't mean I agree with everything she did, just the motivation behind her actions."

And I'm sure she didn't look at it as smearing, just reporting. I don't know of any other instance where she "smeared" another coach or team for her benefit. But I haven't followed her as closely as many Boneyarders so I'm sure those instances, if any, will be pointed out to me. My opinions are just that, not statements of fact and open to discussion for those who would like and disagreement by many, if so inclined.

 

[Samanthabrown3]

Ms. Frese over her green with envy comments a while back that essentially said a turnip could coach and win with UConn's troops.

Suddenly you had me daydreaming about coaching UConn. . .

 

[Samanthabrown3]

1) Imho, everything PHS did was NOT for wcbb and NOT for "the team", it was for PHS and her ego needs. What really turned me anti-SDummitt was not "Geno Cheats" incident, but rather the way she threw her team under the bus after they lost a game in the playoffs (Catch's sr. season, maybe?) Instead of trying to console her kids, who had just lost the game of their lives in spite of playing their hearts out, she dumped on them, badly. Good people don't do that. She was not that much different from McCallie in that regard.

Geno repeatedly said that Pat would do anything for the good of the game. That's how the first Tenn-UConn game came about.

 

[Zorro]

Ah, that was the "I'm more disappointed in them than for them" post game press conference.

Yup. Thanks. Couldn't call it to mind. Cold, cold, cold.