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Zorro

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Looking at the LV situation rationally; except for certain rabid UT fans, who shall remain nameless because their parents never married, and for whom, as Housman proposed for his protagonist with the abominable red hair; "...hanging isn't bad enough and flaying would be fair...", the situation over yonder is an ill wind that blows no one any good. Holly Warlick is, by all accounts, a very decent human being, who tries her best to coach the LVs as she observed PHS coach them for what, thirty years? She can't do it, because she lacks the one absolutely necessary characteristic, which was Pat's iron will and ability to impose that iron will on just damned near everyone, and especially on her players. A player who dared disobey her instructions did so at great peril, and few did. Human failings on the court were not acceptable to Pat, any more than they are to Geno. As a result, regardless of the soundness of Pat's strategy, every player followed it or sat. And even a flawed strategy can work, if everyone on the team sticks to it AND if you have the other team out-talented.

From what I have seen and read, Holly's xs and os are no different from Pat's. BUT, it is still a flawed strategy and the current crop of players is smart enough to know that and independent enough to feel entitled and obliged to ignore it. And when they do, Holly does not have the forceful personality necessary to bench them or even suspend them. As a result, rather than a flawed strategy agreed upon and followed, they have no cohesive strategy at all. Meghan Simmons caught all kinds of flak for shooting too much; I always thought that this was largely unjustified. What the hell was she SUPPOSED to do, when there was no established strategy to direct her actions? Somebody had to eventually shoot the damned ball, and she was as good at doing it as anyone else. Now the Tennessee fans, or many of them at least, are on DeShields' case for the same supposed fault, and it is no more her fault than it was Simmons'.

This situation is tragic for Warlick, who is doing the best she can with the skills she has, which are not good enough, it is tragic for the skilled players, who want to win just as much as our kids do, it is bad for the majority of LV fans who are not warped Geno-conspiracy theorists, and it is bad for wcbb in general, which used to derive a pot full of good publicity from the Clash of the Titans. What is most discouraging about the whole mess is that the UTAD, Mr. Hart (sometimes referred to Mr. Hartless over yonder) seems not to give a shade of a damn about the situation; he seems quite satisfied with things as they are. And it seems unlikely that under the current coaching staff things are going to improve, judging from the recent lack of success in recruiting players.

It is bad for UConn too, although far from tragic. Notre Dame and now SCar have stepped up to take the LV place as games to get excited about, the Huskies are far-and-away the best-known and most popular team in the country, there are many up-and-coming coaches who are eager to try their kids against the Huskies. And to re-establish the rivalry under the current conditions, bad feelings aside, would be a travesty. Still, I can't help but feel a certain nostalgia for all the tradition that surrounded the Clash. The incredible non-call at the buzzer when Tamika got mugged and the zebras swallowed their whistles, the "mooing" at Thompson-Bowling, the "punching of something orange", DT's incredible 3 that kept the streak alive, the shattered clipboard, many other unforgettable moments, unforgettable because they were the best vs. the best. Sic transit gloria mundi, eh Kibs?
 
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Great post Zorro

The old order changeth, yielding place to new,
And God fulfils himself in many ways,
Lest one good custom should corrupt the world.
 
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They seem to have forgotten all about hating Geno; they are too busy hating Holly and Hart and Diamond and Cooper and .........
On edit; they don't really hate Holly, they just wish she would go away.
 

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They seem to have forgotten all about hating Geno; they are too busy hating Holly and Hart and Diamond and Cooper and ....
On edit; they don't really hate Holly, they just wish she would go away.
I guess I understand that.

I like most of your original post, but I am very leery of criticizing other coaches offensive schemes, per se. That it isn't effective, sure. That it doesn't exist, I don't tend to go there. Partly from the RU experience - while offensively challenged at times, when you went to as many games as I did you realized there "was" an offense there. I feel the same way about Tennessee.

Also, the how much to shoot (in an unbalanced offense) is always an issue. Vivian couldn't win with Cappie, for instance. When she wanted Cappie to shoot more, Cappie was trying to involve her teammates, and RU would sink into a hole. Because those teammates were expecting Cappie to shoot more, as well. That's why we called the 2nd half Cappie time, but of course sometimes it was too late and sometimes the other team didn't let it be Cappie time. But I don't think Holly is really telling anyone exactly how she would like the shots distributed among her players.
 

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Holly is scared to bench them cause they may transfer an they would make her hole deeper... did I glance at the TV tonight to see Chong and Stewie basically benched? (could be wrong, didn't really see the game)
 

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Zorro et al.,

A masterly composed OP, followed by several others of comparable merit, each lamenting the increasingly well-documented (either sadly, sincerely, or sarcastically -- or some combination of these alliterative modifiers) decline of the LadyVols.

I now recall with a certain amount of perverse pride that my immediate (and posted) reaction to Holly's succession to Pat as LV HC was that she had just inherited(!) the worst HC position in all of WCBB. Why? Because she was tasked with following a revered (not here!) legend -- tough enough, but made impossible by the the fact of the legend's continued official presence on the UT AD payroll, at practices, at games, and in the hearts of the fickle UT LV faithful.

Now Holly is stuck with an unsupporting AD and both are stuck with a disjointed group of players -- with none in the 2016 pipeline to represent the 7th Cavalry as a rescue force.

The future is foreboding. Having just shelled out $1+ million to settle a discrimination lawsuit, AD Hart is hardly in the mood to buy out Holly's contract, let alone go shopping for a "big name" replacement for her. And for us Boneyarders it's free (unlike the Summitt) to bemusedly monitor the LV debacle as it unfolds. :rolleyes:

Stay tuned. :)
 
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Great posts all around. I have 2 very minor quibbles. One with Z's op and one with Kib.
Z - "it is bad for the majority of LV fans who are not warped Geno-conspiracy theorists,..."
Though I don't think there has ever been a poll of LV fans, if there were, my money would be on a majority of them finding Geno guilty of cheating on the highest level.
Kib - "Now Holly is stuck with an unsupporting AD..."
Hart does support Holly (she received a contract extension) and that is the problem. Though his support of the wbb program in general may be suspect.
You are right on target with Holly not going anywhere. Imo, it would take one of 3 things for that to happen and I think that each is unlikely.
1. A monumental team meltdown. It would have to occur in the near future for Holly not to be the coach for the remainder of this year and next year also.
2. Holly voluntarily steps down. I don't think she would do this but who knows what her mindset is.
3. A player insurrection. Don't laugh. While not qualifying as an insurrection, read the quotes from Holly at the bottom of the linked article. The players are already, admittedly, doing what they want to do on the court. All they would need would be a leader of the revolt. Which player could organize her teammates into such an action ? Hmmmmm...

http://womhoops.blogspot.com/2016/01/mike-siroky-sec-notebook-three-upsets.html
 
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Sometimes I wonder if the Vols are going to end up being the next ODU or LaTech. They were both on top of the game, and then, seemingly overnight...gone. I hope not.

I still say they should bring Jim Foster from Chattanooga in to right the ship, and hand the reins over to Tyler Summitt.
 
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Z - I think you are giving Deshields a pass. She was a high volume, low percentage shooter at UNC and she is following the same pattern at UT. Holly's first 3 seasons produced an 80% winning record without this drama oer se. Something has changed and my guess (stab in the dark) is disunity among the players. There may be no strong positive leader on the team and potentially one player who is disruptive regarding Holly's leadership. This is not the only potential issue but I believe part of the problem.
 

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Holly is scared to bench them cause they may transfer an they would make her hole deeper... did I glance at the TV tonight to see Chong and Stewie basically benched? (could be wrong, didn't really see the game)

You are wrong. Stewart played 24 minutes. She wasn't "benched" she came out to give Butler more PT. With Jefferson's return Chong played 14 minutes, exactly her season average. Hardly a benching.
 

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You are wrong. Stewart played 24 minutes. She wasn't "benched" she came out to give Butler more PT. With Jefferson's return Chong played 14 minutes, exactly her season average. Hardly a benching.
was anyone pulled from the game early on, or was that just announcer talk? I thought I heard on the radio post show Gabby was the only one with energy
 
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Holly is scared to bench them cause they may transfer an they would make her hole deeper... did I glance at the TV tonight to see Chong and Stewie basically benched? (could be wrong, didn't really see the game)
Chong's shooting was off last night and UCONN had a big lead so Stewie was done for the night. It appears to me that sometimes Geno is coaching for next year's team. JMHO. :oops:
 

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Sometimes I wonder if the Vols are going to end up being the next ODU or LaTech. They were both on top of the game, and then, seemingly overnight...gone. I hope not.

I still say they should bring Jim Foster from Chattanooga in to right the ship, and hand the reins over to Tyler Summitt.
They are all but there already. They just don't know it yet. The absolutely best way to finish off the transition would be to bring in Tyler Summitt too soon.
 

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Chong's shooting was off last night and UCONN had a big lead so Stewie was done for the night. It appears to me that sometimes Geno is coaching for next year's team. JMHO. :oops:
Even more than "coaching for next year", I think Geno is working on 3 things.
1. Developing bench depth for this year - depending on circumstance, he may need a big post, a guard, an outside shooter, a "high energy" player, a tough rebounder, or a "steady-Eddie" off of the bench in a tight spot down the road. Different UConn players fill those needs, if, and I emphasis this, they've got enough game experience to fill those roles when it really counts. I think that's part of why Geno distributes minutes the way he does.
2. In the immediate case, with 3 games in 5 nights, and 5 games in 10, he needs to pace his starters, particularly anybody nursing an injury or illness.
3. Lastly, and somewhat related to #2, I think he's laying groundwork for a "bad/worst case" scenario, where he has to deal with an illness or injury that results in an extended absence of a key player. The Shea/Sveta/KML/Morgan situation can happen, where a kid is hurt enough to miss a sizable amount of time - if you have a teammate who's spent a fair amount of game time "role-playing" in their stead, the disruptive trauma of losing that key player is somewhat mitigated.
 
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I've watched 4 of their games so far and they don't seem to have any offensive theme. It looks like a pick up game at times and that is when everything goes down hill. I expected DD to be a leader on the court but she hasn't been so far. Her stats are unimpressive and sometimes it appears that her attitude is lacking. As a whole, the team stats have been mediocre at best. I hoped that DD could get TENN headed to the FF so I could watch UCONN trounce them but that won't happen. When I watch a team with so much potential play so poorly I wonder what Geno and his staff would do with this team. Glad to be a UCONN fan.
 
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They seem to have forgotten all about hating Geno; they are too busy hating Holly and Hart and Diamond and Cooper and ....
On edit; they don't really hate Holly, they just wish she would go away.

They have not forgotten about hating Geno. The disaster on the basketball court and a looming catastrophe have postponed it temporarily. You could find a reasonable sprinkle until mid-December. Now you have to scratch them to expose it.

You have correctly observed that most of them want Holly to go away. Winter has arrived and Spring cannot be far behind. There are occasional posts about Holly's sexual preferences. These are similar to the ugly jokes they wrote about Brittney Griner. Only the laughter on the Vol Nation board is lot muted on this occasion.
 
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Why is the committe so oppposed to putting UConn in the same bracket as Tenn?
 

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"Looking at the LV situation rationally; except for certain rabid UT fans, who shall remain nameless because their parents never married, and for whom, as Housman proposed for his protagonist with the abominable red hair; "...hanging isn't bad enough and flaying would be fair...", the situation over yonder is an ill wind that blows no one any good. "

Z- this is my favorite lead sentence of the year. Almost choked laughing, and re-read it several times to fully savor the thought's flow. You are a master, I bow to your eloquence. The entire post, BTW, was magnificent.
 

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Why is the committe so oppposed to putting UConn in the same bracket as Tenn?
Lobbying by Tennessee to prevent it is my guess. They still have a lot of pull in the women's basketball world.
 
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Lobbying by Tennessee to prevent it is my guess. They still have a lot of pull in the women's basketball world.


Why is the committe so oppposed to putting UConn in the same bracket as Tenn?


I don't care why, just that the committee doesn't .
 
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I used to enjoy visiting VN and watching them self destruct. BUT please think about bringing their baggage here in the form of commenting on it too much. I can't stand visiting them any longer. Its such a downer.
Don't let their infection spread to the Boneyard.
 

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I don't care why, just that the committee doesn't .
They're not. I tend think so tend to not understand the seeding rules... or enjoy conspiracy theories. It would be great for ESPN if they did (but not so much for the Vols).
 

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1. It is not bad for UConn.
2. Those NCAA complaints against us scrubbed away nearly all the nostalgia.
3. I have little love for the empire. I have no sympathy for their cohorts on the Summit and the Vol Nation.
... And for us Boneyarders it's free (unlike the Summitt) to bemusedly monitor the LV debacle as it unfolds. :rolleyes:...:)
Sometimes I wonder if the Vols are going to end up being the next ODU or LaTech. They were both on top of the game, and then, seemingly overnight...gone...
They are all but there already. They just don't know it yet...
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