Replace ND in the ACC?

[freescooter]

I doubt it will actually happen, but if ND decided to leave the ACC and UConn were offered a similar deal—all sports except football. That would be a 6 game/year deal without access to the championship game, would UConn accept that?

I would. Good for baseball both basketball teams, upgraded football schedule and legitimacy plus likely full access in time.

 

[ScottVib]

UConn likely would... but better than that the ACC would have a school that they could plug in and actually be able to mathematically completely their 9-game schedule if they just said the word. (Right now one team is going only get 8 conference games, just wait until the ½ game is the difference in a teams placement in the title game)

 

[How Sway?!]

I doubt it will actually happen, but if ND decided to leave the ACC and UConn were offered a similar deal—all sports except football. That would be a 6 game/year deal without access to the championship game, would UConn accept that?

I would. Good for baseball both basketball teams, upgraded football schedule and legitimacy plus likely full access in time.

As long as they make us whole with the TV money, I'm sure the school would jump at the offer.

 

[Kowalski]

I doubt it will actually happen, but if ND decided to leave the ACC and UConn were offered a similar deal—all sports except football. That would be a 6 game/year deal without access to the championship game, would UConn accept that?

I would. Good for baseball both basketball teams, upgraded football schedule and legitimacy plus likely full access in time.

I agree that it would be an upgrade but I don’t think UConn can accept it unless it comes with a commitment to add FB at a later date. UConn otherwise loses any leverage for full membership. If a P4 wants to add Uconn basketball, I think they have to offer full membership or at least commit to making UConn a full member w/in a few years.

 

[weyuo]

Why in the world would UConn join the ACC if the football team isn't immediately included? That's the whole reason to leave the Big East. Convincing the die-hard Big East fans is going to be tough enough. Trying to rationalize the move minus football inclusion would be impossible. I for one would hold out till they agreed to include football.

 

[Stinger92860]

Why in the world would UConn join the ACC if the football team isn't immediately included? That's the whole reason to leave the Big East. Convincing the die-hard Big East fans is going to be tough enough. Trying to rationalize the move minus football inclusion would be impossible. I for one would hold out till they agreed to include football.

I would hold out for more money than the BE pays and at least a football arrangement written on paper and signed by all parties.

 

[CL82]

Why in the world would UConn join the ACC if the football team isn't immediately included?

I'm pretty sure that a basketball only (shorthanded for everything but football) interest in the ACC is worth about three times the media rights distribution from the big east. So that's a reason.

The bulk of our P4 schedule for football or ACC teams. So if you got a scheduling deal as a part of this, you're likely to have an upgraded football schedule. Scheduling P4 opponents is becoming increasingly difficult. So that's another reason.

Keep in mind that this is entirely imaginary, so I wouldn't get too worked up over it. But if this imaginary invite came with a path for football to join in a certain period of years, that would be another reason to do it.

 

[ScottVib]

The ACC needs an extra football member to allow them to schedule the 9 game slate they’re proposing. Starting next year one team will only play 8 conference games while the rest play 9. Given that context if they were to add UConn for basketball, I’d suspect football would come along for the ride on the same (or possibly an accelerated) timetable (no exit fees and solves an immediate problem for the league).

That said losing Notre Dame games would (likely) materially change the value of the deal for ESPN changing the math of the entire deal.

 

[TerryD1957]

As long as they make us whole with the TV money, I'm sure the school would jump at the offer.

ND gets around $20-22 million a year from the ACC deal, but that is because ND gets a full share of ACC Network profits plus 20% of the full member payout for its other 24 non-football/non-hockey sports.

ND ends up with about a one-half share, in total.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Why in the world would UConn join the ACC if the football team isn't immediately included? That's the whole reason to leave the Big East. Convincing the die-hard Big East fans is going to be tough enough. Trying to rationalize the move minus football inclusion would be impossible. I for one would hold out till they agreed to include football.

Most of the Big East haters would trade our athletic program with BCU's or Rutgers' and give back all the championships just so they could say they were in a P4 conference.

 

[John]

Most of the Big East haters would trade our athletic program with BCU's or Rutgers' and give back all the championships just so they could say they were in a P4 conference.

wildly swinging again, just make contact with the ball.

 

[Magic32]

Most of the Big East haters would trade our athletic program with BCU's or Rutgers' and give back all the championships just so they could say they were in a P4 conference.

 

[NE Football]

The ACC needs an extra football member to allow them to schedule the 9 game slate they’re proposing. Starting next year one team will only play 8 conference games while the rest play 9. Given that context if they were to add UConn for basketball, I’d suspect football would come along for the ride on the same (or possibly an accelerated) timetable (no exit fees and solves an immediate problem for the league).

That said losing Notre Dame games would (likely) materially change the value of the deal for ESPN changing the math of the entire deal.

The ACC needs to add a very good football team. They have the New England and New York markets with BCU and SU. They need a program like Utah.

 

[FightOnCT]

The ACC needs to add a very good football team. They have the New England and New York markets with BCU and SU. They need a program like Utah.

Neither of those teams count as “market”

 

[pj]

Neither of those teams count as “market”

They dominate the Chestnut Hill market, and the Onandaga County market.

 

[ninety-nine]

The ACC needs to add a very good football team. They have the New England and New York markets with BCU and SU. They need a program like Utah.

How are they gonna lure in Utah? Did the ACC win the powerball?

 

[CL82]

They dominate the Chestnut Hill market, and the Onandaga County market.

Sadly, they don't even dominate these.

 

[Slick]

Why in the world would UConn join the ACC if the football team isn't immediately included? That's the whole reason to leave the Big East. Convincing the die-hard Big East fans is going to be tough enough. Trying to rationalize the move minus football inclusion would be impossible. I for one would hold out till they agreed to include football.

I just saw ESPN announcers saying the ACC is in a very poor spot and basically on life support. Not sure what it all means

 

[greenday61892]

I just saw ESPN announcers saying the ACC is in a very poor spot and basically on life support. Not sure what it all means

Two straight years of relative floundering on the whole (this season especially) and the GoR of Damocles hanging over their heads that everyone knows is basically the expiration date on the ACC if it doesn't come sooner.

EDIT: Also a quick google search indicated that the GoR expires in 2036 but I could've sworn 2030 was the doomsday; is there another factor besides the GoR that people are saying could nuke the ACC that comes up in 2030 that I'm forgetting about?

 

[CL82]

Two straight years of relative floundering on the whole (this season especially) and the GoR of Damocles hanging over their heads that everyone knows is basically the expiration date on the ACC if it doesn't come sooner.

EDIT: Also a quick google search indicated that the GoR expires in 2036 but I could've sworn 2030 was the doomsday; is there another factor besides the GoR that people are saying could nuke the ACC that comes up in 2030 that I'm forgetting about?

2036 is the GOR expiration date, but the cost to leave drops to manageable $75M (from an estimated $500M) in 2030.

 

[ScottVib]

2030 is also the renewal date on most of the other conference TV deals

 

[ArtTheFan]

I just saw ESPN announcers saying the ACC is in a very poor spot and basically on life support. Not sure what it all means

What it means is the the ACC champion lost to UConn, which also beat BCU. and an overtime loss to Fruity U. It meant that the ACC football is scared of UConn...

 

[CL82]

ESPN tends to be pretty good about staying on message, and using its own at air personnel to frame a narrative. Remember how the big east and ACC were considered the two best brands in basketball. Immediately proceeding, the ACC raid, and intensifying afterwards, the ESPN narrative became that the big east "was on life-support". If ESPN starts consistently taking a dump on the ACC and talking down the conference, my guess is they're going to be writing the check for future "consolidation".

That's both good and bad for Connecticut. Anything that changes the status status quo ante is good for us, because we are in a rough spot. But if the ESPN game plan is to make the ACC a downgraded conference, that hurts us in two ways. First it is a logical ending point for us as backfill for departing ACC schools. Secondly, if the ACC is being downgraded, it's immediate deal will be lower, which would cause ACC schools to look on a move to the big 12 more favorably. Which means we are less likely to get a spot in the big 12, and the remnants of the ACC will be that much weaker as a conference.

 

[DFW HOYA]

ESPN knows how to devalue conferences to save money, as it did to the Big East. Were they to do the same to the ACC, they will see it as the 2030s version of the AAC, and not-so-quietly move around the better pieces on the board elsewhere: ND, UNC, Virginia, Clemson, FSU, Miami, and either Virginia Tech or NC State, with GT and Louisville working the phones to the Big 12 in response.

What's left isn't a huge media spend, even if you mix in UConn and South Florida:

Cal, Stanford, SMU, Duke, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Pitt, BC

 

[Stray_Dog]

I do have a question with all this conference realignment talk about the halves and have nots. What happens if say you end up with 48 schools in 2 conferences or 64 in three conference? Would it be that those schools left out - go back to form new regional conferences and see how that works out for those national schools. There is a reason they (those controlling the media dollars and viewing college sports as a cow cash) are moving at a relatively slow pace. They don't want this to happen with any chance that the schools left out have any type of following left. Why? This would impact their future earnings potential. It destroys their model. They are already up against the NFL and trying to lay the foundation of blame on small market teams like JMU or Tuscon and with those examples all relatively non big name schools from conference realignments. Yes, first isolate the small conferences then go inside your conference and clean house. Remove the small programs next. This all takes time but this is what I see as their goal. Time is their ally unless it happens to quickly.