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UCHuskies08 said:
Not to mention, this was game number 1 against a real team.

I can already tell this is gonna be a fun season on the Boneyard.
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So, when Vandy loses 63-10 to 'Bama will we still call them a real team. This is going to be a long two years until we get get this awful PP hire behind us.
 
When I said last week that this team reminded me of the 2005 team, I had hoped that I was wrong. But this team seems to have the same low ceiling even if there is some good talent sprinkled in on defense.

Too early to panic, but after on scoring 35 points on a team with 35 scholarships and losing to a team we blasted last year, I am concerned.
 
UconnWitt said:
Is it that obvious? F this...I'm going swimming in my money bin.
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The thing I never understood is why he would complain and flaunt his cash, but never offered to front the big bucks for a bigger name.
 
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Coaching staff looked lost. Plays sent in late, this rotating qb thing is a joke, and the gimicks a worthless. Tell me how the team that rolled over Vandy in such dominating fashion on the first drive lose that game? QB was terrible and pass prote took was iffy....but the coaches were no prize either last night.
 
Are you guys serious???? McIntee was 10 for 37 for for 99 yards and 3 INT's. He threw a pic directly to the CB as he was trying to avoid getting hit and it got returned for a TD when we were up 21-14. He also had 2 or 3 pics dropped by the defense.

I have issues with some of the play calling so the coaches to deserve SOME blame. They avoided the run in the 1st half after they got down by 1 TD. On Macs pic 6 TD everyone in the stadium knew Vandy was going to blitz...why not call a screen??? Same drive...up 21-14...2nd down was the absolute perfect time to call play action but we ran right up the gut. I don't think I saw play action the entire game. I don't think I've seen a screen in 3 years.

Yes some of it was on the coaches but if not for Johnny Mac we win this game. 90% of the blame is on Mac and the pic 6. If he takes the sack we win the game but instead he tried to avoid being hit, threw the ball with his back turned and probably had his eyes closed. Once they tied the game was over because the offense is .
 
LRock34 said:
Are you guys serious???? McIntee was 10 for 37 for for 99 yards and 3 INT's. He threw a pic directly to the CB as he was trying to avoid getting hit and it got returned for a TD when we were up 21-14. He also had 2 or 3 pics dropped by the defense.

I have issues with some of the play calling so the coaches to deserve SOME blame. They avoided the run in the 1st half after they got down by 1 TD. On Macs pic 6 TD everyone in the stadium knew Vandy was going to blitz...why not call a screen??? Same drive...up 21-14...2nd down was the absolute perfect time to call play action but we ran right up the gut. I don't think I saw play action the entire game. I don't think I've seen a screen in 3 years.

Yes some of it was on the coaches but if not for Johnny Mac we win this game. 90% of the blame is on Mac and the pic 6. If he takes the sack we win the game but instead he tried to avoid being hit, threw the ball with his back turned and probably had his eyes closed. Once they tied the game was over because the offense is .
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He was 10 of 27. But that is still pretty scary. Not going to cut it in the Big East.
 
sportsart said:
The biggest mistake P made was leaving Mac in at QB after the pick 6 in the 4th. McCummings would have been a better choice going with option. Couldn't be worse.

Pick a QB other than Mac and stick with him.

My choice is McCummings and option, option, option.

Might be a tough year. The jury is still out. Remember it only really counts in BE play. They rebounded from the UL game last year.

Too early to panic.
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The one thing we knew this year was that we were going to have a problem at QB. We all knew this. Well, we have a problem at QB.
 
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Disagree with you 100%. This team went to a BCS bowl last year. Yes it is missing some valuable pieces but the cupboard was far from bare. Just look at the defense to see what I am talking about.

UCHuskies08 said:
Can't polish a turd, as they say.

I can see why Edsall ducked out when he did.
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uconnbill said:
Disagree with you 100%. This team went to a BCS bowl last year. Yes it is missing some valuable pieces but the cupboard was far from bare. Just look at the defense to see what I am talking about.
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The offensive cupboard was pretty damn bare. Like I said in the other thread - no proven playmakers at skill positions (Todman gone, Smith academically ineligible - not P's fault), lost our best OL, lost our Big East Offensive Player of the Year RB, lost our QB who was at the very least a lot better than what was shown last night. And what was behind those players? At QB - no one who was ready to take the reins. At RB - decent but certainly not at the Todman/Dixon/Brown level that we RELIED ON FOR ALL OUR OFFENSE. OL is clearly the strength of the offense, but even they have struggled a bit in pass pro, and unlike previous years, we weren't able to run very successfully when it became blatantly apparent that we couldn't throw the ball.

P has recruited a new QB, a CT state player of the year. If he sucks, I'll join in on the bitching. Until then, I find it really hard to blame P for not having a QB who is ready this year.
 
UCHuskies08 said:
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So Edsall recruited a bunch of terds that were good enough to beat Vanderbilt handily last year, but then left a bunch of terds that couldn't get the job done this year. That's a gem of a point.
 
UCHuskies08 said:
I find it really hard to blame P for not having a QB who is ready this year.
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Is it ok to blame P for calling 27 pass plays for a QB who looked awful all night long?

Is it ok to question why he didn't use his dual threat QBs more often considering the lack of pocket presence and the increase in QB pressures during the game?

Is it ok to blame P for not calling shorter quick hitters instead of the intermediate routes that kept getting intercepted or broken up (and nearly intercepted)?

I find it really hard to excuse P for using the QB the way he did considering the incredible lack of production and his repeated comments that production would determine the amount of playing time given to each QB.
 
UCHuskies08 said:
The offensive cupboard was pretty damn bare. Like I said in the other thread - no proven playmakers at skill positions (Todman gone, Smith academically ineligible - not P's fault), lost our best OL, lost our Big East Offensive Player of the Year RB, lost our QB who was at the very least a lot better than what was shown last night. And what was behind those players? At QB - no one who was ready to take the reins. At RB - decent but certainly not at the Todman/Dixon/Brown level that we RELIED ON FOR ALL OUR OFFENSE. OL is clearly the strength of the offense, but even they have struggled a bit in pass pro, and unlike previous years, we weren't able to run very successfully when it became blatantly apparent that we couldn't throw the ball.

P has recruited a new QB, a CT state player of the year. If he sucks, I'll join in on the bitching. Until then, I find it really hard to blame P for not having a QB who is ready this year.
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this is a great post.

im absolutely livid about how awful that game was last night. i would rather have taken a hammer to the nuts a few times....wouldve been slightly less painful. However, we're 2 games, and ZERO recruiting classes into PP's tenure.

I agree with some who said that there were coaching mistakes last night.....but i remember we all bashed our former coach for not passing enough (even though our QB's were awful). Now we have a relatively similar QB situation (mac sucks right now too), but at least we actually attempted to pass. i would much rather have it this way, than the other way. at least he's trying to keep the other defenses honest, and not killing our RB's. the only the passing game will improve is if we practice it, and do it in games....which is something the last coach wasn't even willing to try after 2005

I want to see a few more games, and at least 1 PP-recruited QB, before i start killing PP
 
ibleedhuskyblue said:
but i remember we all bashed our former coach for not passing enough (even though our QB's were awful). Now we have a relatively similar QB situation (mac sucks right now too), but at least we actually attempted to pass.
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No, we didn't all bash him for not passing enough. Some of us have said over and again that you coach the team you have, not the one you want, and running the ball and relying on defense is how we will win games until we get a decent QB. Last night proved that.

We kept passing until it cost us the game. We couldn't run the ball in the second half, but we were better off punting and relying on defense if we wanted to win that game, because throwing the ball put points on the board for them, and also shortened the field for their offense.

What happened to Nebrich? If he isn't hurt, there is no reason for him to not have played in the second half. Why only a few snaps for McCummings? He showed he can loosen up the offense with the play action, but we reallly didn't bother using him much.

One could argue that your post is proof that some actually would rather throw the ball and lose, than run the ball and win.
 
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WingU-Conn said:
Is it ok to blame P for calling 27 pass plays for a QB who looked awful all night long?

Is it ok to question why he didn't use his dual threat QBs more often considering the lack of pocket presence and the increase in QB pressures during the game?

Is it ok to blame P for not calling shorter quick hitters instead of the intermediate routes that kept getting intercepted or broken up (and nearly intercepted)?

I find it really hard to excuse P for using the QB the way he did considering the incredible lack of production and his repeated comments that production would determine the amount of playing time given to each QB.
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I have said here and other places I don't agree with all the coaching decisions last night. I couldn't believe they didn't just run and punt, I texted all my friends and family who would care angry text messages. Coaches are guilty of believing too much in the players. Maybe in practice Johnny Mac makes that play. That's one of the unknown factors we don't know here on a message board but no one lets that deter them from thinking they know exactly what happened.

I'm, at the very least, willing to reserve judgement on the coaching staff's gameplanning and such for a month or so while they can sort out who is and isn't ready to contribute right now. And I'm going to keep in mind that these aren't P's players and that he's hit the ground running recruiting. 'Til then, keep bitching at every little detail you can. Must be fun.
 
WingU-Conn said:
No, we didn't all bash him for not passing enough. Some of us have said over and again that you coach the team you have, not the one you want, and running the ball and relying on defense is how we will win games until we get a decent QB. Last night proved that.

We kept passing until it cost us the game. We couldn't run the ball in the second half, but we were better off punting and relying on defense if we wanted to win that game, because throwing the ball put points on the board for them, and also shortened the field for their offense.

What happened to Nebrich? If he isn't hurt, there is no reason for him to not have played in the second half. Why only a few snaps for McCummings? He showed he can loosen up the offense with the play action, but we reallly didn't bother using him much.

One could argue that your post is proof that some actually would rather throw the ball and lose, than run the ball and win.
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wow. its convenient to quote half of a post and respond to that, and ignore the part where i explained what was quoted just a couple sentences later.

well done sir

lets try again.....
i think we should pass the ball until we get it right. figure out who the QB should be, then tailor the playbook to his strengths (whoever it may be). but we cant give up on passing (again), and beat our RB's to death (again), and be amazingly predictable (again)....because we can win 6-9 games per year that way (just like weve been doing), or we can develop a well-rounded offensive attack (like every great team), and become a great team ourselves. that may take a few lumps, like throwing the ball when were not ready yet, and maybe losing a few extra games in year 1....but it will also convince a few QB & WR recruits that we can be a program that knows and values the passing game. And maybe one of those recruits will say "hey...i can beat out those QB's they already have and get playing time early", and maybe he's great,and maybe we can establish a passing game...finally.

but we will never get there by running the ball 500 times per game, and losing to every good team we play. We need to pass, to learn how to pass.

i didnt like the pass play on 3rd and 9. i thought it was a dumb call....but im not gonna crush PP just yet, because i need to see more than 1 game against an FBS opponent, in a new system, with a new QB, and a new RB, and many new OL, and a new OC, to know weather or not a coach is any good.

apparently you dont...and i wish i could be as cool as you, but i cant.
 
ibleedhuskyblue said:
wow. its convenient to quote half of a post and respond to that, and ignore the part where i explained what was quoted just a couple sentences later.

well done sir

lets try again.....
i think we should pass the ball until we get it right. figure out who the QB should be, then tailor the playbook to his strengths (whoever it may be). but we cant give up on passing (again), and beat our RB's to death (again), and be amazingly predictable (again)....because we can win 6-9 games per year that way (just like weve been doing), or we can develop a well-rounded offensive attack (like every great team), and become a great team ourselves. that may take a few lumps, like throwing the ball when were not ready yet, and maybe losing a few extra games in year 1....but it will also convince a few QB & WR recruits that we can be a program that knows and values the passing game. And maybe one of those recruits will say "hey...i can beat out those QB's they already have and get playing time early", and maybe he's great,and maybe we can establish a passing game...finally.

but we will never get there by running the ball 500 times per game, and losing to every good team we play. We need to pass, to learn how to pass.

i didnt like the pass play on 3rd and 9. i thought it was a dumb call....but im not gonna crush PP just yet, because i need to see more than 1 game against an FBS opponent, in a new system, with a new QB, and a new RB, and many new OL, and a new OC, to know weather or not a coach is any good.

apparently you dont...and i wish i could be as cool as you, but i cant.
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I didn't quote the whole post because the explanation, IMHO, is nonsense. I've quoted the whole thing for you this time, and I still think it's nonsense.

We need to pass to learn how to pass? What are we doing in practice? Pretending? These kids are BCS recruits, some with offers from other BCS programs. They don't know how to pass and catch, and have to learn in the games?

I never said Coach P should be fired, and I never crushed him, I asked some honest questions of a coach I expected better from.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't understand why any QB/WR recruit would be more attracted to UConn because we started throw the ball more, but also started losing more games in the process. Is Coach P really going to mention to a recruit that we lost to Vanderbilt but our starter managed to produce 10/27 for 99 and 3 INTs and that's why they should pick UConn? That's a strong sales tactic?

Winning attracts recruits, not losing.

As for that last sentence, I don't know even know how to respond to that.
 
UCHuskies08 said:
I have said here and other places I don't agree with all the coaching decisions last night. I couldn't believe they didn't just run and punt, I texted all my friends and family who would care angry text messages. Coaches are guilty of believing too much in the players. Maybe in practice Johnny Mac makes that play. That's one of the unknown factors we don't know here on a message board but no one lets that deter them from thinking they know exactly what happened.

I'm, at the very least, willing to reserve judgement on the coaching staff's gameplanning and such for a month or so while they can sort out who is and isn't ready to contribute right now. And I'm going to keep in mind that these aren't P's players and that he's hit the ground running recruiting. 'Til then, keep bitching at every little detail you can. Must be fun.
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While you're reserving judgement on the coaches, perhaps you could show a little more respect to the "turds"?

Being a hypocrite must be fun too.
 
i think we should pass the ball until we get it right. figure out who the QB should be, then tailor the playbook to his strengths (whoever it may be). but we cant give up on passing (again), and beat our RB's to death (again), and be amazingly predictable (again)....because we can win 6-9 games per year that way (just like weve been doing), or we can develop a well-rounded offensive attack (like every great team), and become a great team ourselves. that may take a few lumps, like throwing the ball when were not ready yet, and maybe losing a few extra games in year 1....but it will also convince a few QB & WR recruits that we can be a program that knows and values the passing game. And maybe one of those recruits will say "hey...i can beat out those QB's they already have and get playing time early", and maybe he's great,and maybe we can establish a passing game...finally.

but we will never get there by running the ball 500 times per game, and losing to every good team we play. We need to pass, to learn how to pass.


Well said. Cannot praise this insight enough. Let's move into the modern era of college football - exciting offenses.
 
We need to pass to learn how to pass? What are we doing in practice? Pretending? These kids are BCS recruits, some with offers from other BCS programs.
Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't understand why any QB/WR recruit would be more attracted to UConn because we started throw the ball more, but also started losing more games in the process.
Winning attracts recruits, not losing.

I don't understand why any QB/WR would be attracted to UConn BECAUSE WE CONTINUOUSLY IGNORE THE PASSING GAME. Kids want to come to winning programs . . . absolutely, no one is arguing otherwise. But high profile QB's in high school want to show their stuff in college. Doesn't take exceptional skill to hand off right, hand off left, hand off up the middle (even the UConn QB's have been able to do that). The best high school QB's want to throw and certainly the best WR's want the "rock". The best NFL WR's aren't there because the could block downfield or serve as a decoy. They want the ball.
 
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In 7 of 12 games last year we threw the ball 29 or more times.

Is 29+ passing attempts ignoring the pass? Because if it is, then Pasqualoni just ignored the pass too.
 
WingU-Conn said:
In 7 of 12 games last year we threw the ball 29 or more times.

Is 29+ passing attempts ignoring the pass? Because if it is, then Pasqualoni just ignored the pass too.
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Please do not inject facts into this discussion. That is just guarantying that the discussion won't go anywhere.
 
but how many of those were over 10 yards ?

i agree there was "passing", but it was mostly HB or WR screens.

in my opinion, QB's want to THROW the ball down the field....and WR's want to catch it there.
 
ibleedhuskyblue said:
but how many of those were over 10 yards ?

i agree there was "passing", but it was mostly HB or WR screens.

in my opinion, QB's want to THROW the ball down the field....and WR's want to catch it there.
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Absolutely. Plus a lot of those 29 passes per game, came when UConn was trailing and forced to throw the ball. The forward pass is an afterthought in a UConn game plan early in a game when the game is up for grabs. This HAS to change is the UConn offense is ever to move forward and become a legitimate D1/BCS unit the way the defense has.
 
It's actually pretty staggering how inept we've been at QB and WR over the last 6 years. I mean look at every other position on the field.. Edsall was able to find quality BCS kids... NFL prospects at just about every position.... except QB and WR. It's actually kind of amazing.
 
The answer here is not as simple as coaching, coaching decisions, player performance, choice of starter. No matter the decisions made -- different choices MAY have also led to a bad result. We don't know for sure. I still have faith that the coaches know a lot more than all of the posters on this board, including myself. I expect them to remedy the situation and produce a better result. Constant second guessing of coaching decisions won't help the situation, but careful review of the strengths of the starters and potential starters with the intent of starting the most productive group will. My personal choices include MN, SMc and DJS as either starters or getting major minutes. Even if JM and LM produce in this game and correct mistakes I still want to see them play. I believe that MN will produce more for us given equal time and DJ will give us a different look that will help LM's game by not wearing him out. In addition, DJ may be a better blocker on the pass plays then we saw from LM. BUT -- the coaches know all this and are planning to implement what they think will work best on friday. If they choose to go with the same starting group, I won't necessarily agree, but I feel that the result will be different. I often felt I wanted RE to rotate RB's more but I couldn't really criticize the results too much. I have a gut feeling that it will be the same with PP. I won't always understand why he is using certain starters but I still trust he knows a hell of a lot more about it than I do and he's familiar with the injury status of the players involved. Let's try to give the staff the benefit of the doubt for a while longer here since we have so much new that needs to be shaken down. The first BCS road game was not to our liking and left us feeling we left a win on the field. The coaches feel the same way. I don't expect us to have a similar performance on offense again this year. I expect the defense to continue to be able to pressure other teams and this should get better as we go along. Special teams will improve over what we saw saturday, specifically punting, coverage and punt receiving/runbacks. If some of you want to blame this loss on the coach -- fine, but there were enough good things that occured here with the decisions that were made that this could have been a win. So it's easy to criticize since we don't have the decision to make. I believe in this staff. They will get this fixed and they will get these existing players playing more productively. I don't necessarily disagree with all the criticism but it's very harsh and all or nothing. BL has usually been the most balanced and even handed in criticisms on this board. I want to follow in that mold, and really be constructive in posting. We are not doomed yet!
 
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