Release the SEC shills...

[NickyNewark]

Herbstreit is a big promoter of Ohio HS FB and started a national challenge against other states prominent HS's...I loved his expression when some NJ HS's took his teams to the woodshed though admittedly NJ doesn't have the depth or population of Ohio.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

No petition necessary Mr. Fairtides, they have and did hire 2 individuals to assist warde out of the SEC. The SEC is an awesome league in all sports and Susan and warde want the best and WM hired out of the best
within the past 18 months.

Maybe they're experts in stealth hype.

 

[BlueDogs]

The SEC is a self fulfilling prophecy. They play themselves then complain because they are so good they are entitled to one loss. In reality they are very good teams. Of course I remember a little old team that could from Connecticut that put a whooping on SC. The SC fans were infuriated and apoplectic. That should never happen.

 

[CTBasketball]

If the SEC doesn't get a team in there then that's absurd. Ohio State and FSU haven't played anyone. FSU played a solid Clemson team in Death Valley and beat them. Other than that nobody. You might as well put Northern Illinois in the BCS Championship Game.

Alabama, Missouri, Auburn, and maybe even South Carolina could beat FSU or OSU.

 

[ZooCougar]

Need a 16 team playoff. Beyond that it's smoke, mirrors, politics and perception.

 

[billybud]

Well....Nick Saban likes FSU for the best team in the country...


"I think, probably, if you look at the whole body of work and the way they beat people they're arguably the best team in the country right now," Saban said. "

 

[billybud]

FSU did beat Florida, Alabama, and South Carolina the last time that they played them....and gave Urban Myers his last loss.

I'd like to see Urban come full circle...have his unbroken winning streak at OSU as a coach broken by the last team that beat him...FSU.

 

[tzznandrew]

If the SEC doesn't get a team in there then that's absurd. Ohio State and FSU haven't played anyone. FSU played a solid Clemson team in Death Valley and beat them. Other than that nobody. You might as well put Northern Illinois in the BCS Championship Game.

Alabama, Missouri, Auburn, and maybe even South Carolina could beat FSU or OSU.

Out of conference teams have Missouri, Alabama, and Auburn have played:

Murray State (6-6)
Toledo (7-5)
Indiana (5-7)
Arkansas State (7-5) (x2)
Western Carolina (2-10)
Florida Atlantic (6-6)
Washington State (6-6) (Auburn by 7 at home)
Virginia Tech (8-4)
Colorado State (7-6)
Georgia State (0-12)
Chattanooga (8-4)
Total: 57-76

These teams did not go out of conference and beat anyone. All this talk of how much they'd kill anyone is based off the hype machine of ESPN.

One team, though, did go out and play teams. South Carolina.

South Carolina
North Carolina (6-6)
UCF (10-1)
Coastal Carolina (10-2)
Clemson (10-2)

They're losses were to a pretty bad Tennessee and to a Georgia team that was pretty healthy (and a Georgia team that was a hail Mary away from defeating Auburn).

You can go through and do this with FSU and OSU (and pretty much any other team, if you'd like, really). My point is that, since the season is so short, and some of the top teams so shamelessly duck each other, we really don't have an accurate sense of the strength of a league.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

If the SEC doesn't get a team in there then that's absurd. Ohio State and FSU haven't played anyone. FSU played a solid Clemson team in Death Valley and beat them. Other than that nobody. You might as well put Northern Illinois in the BCS Championship Game.

Alabama, Missouri, Auburn, and maybe even South Carolina could beat FSU or OSU.

Stick to basketball. FSU is the best team in the country. They have no holes. They are better than Bama.

 

[beasteast]

If the SEC doesn't get a team in there then that's absurd. Ohio State and FSU haven't played anyone. FSU played a solid Clemson team in Death Valley and beat them. Other than that nobody. You might as well put Northern Illinois in the BCS Championship Game.

Alabama, Missouri, Auburn, and maybe even South Carolina could beat FSU or OSU.

Please! the SEC is down this year. Arkansas almost beat LSU in Death Valley this past week and they got beat be RU who got thumped by us. FSU is the Best team in the country this year. (unless qb is not there). do i think Bama is right up there, Yes!... please stop with the SEC bs.

 

[beasteast]

ill will say, i do think the SEC is the best conference, but TOSU & FSU should play in the game (if they win their Conference Championship Games)

 

[whaler11]

While it's last year and not a perfect proxy: The SEC had 63 players drafted last year and the Big 10 had 20 - which was fewer than the Big East.

That's some fairly objective data that the leagues aren't playing anywhere near the same level anymore.

 

[CTBasketball]

Everyone says the SEC is down, then the national championship rolls around and the SEC destroys everyone. Not sure how you can judge someone by being the best in the country if they have played no one.

 

[Jax Husky]

While it's last year and not a perfect proxy: The SEC had 63 players drafted last year and the Big 10 had 20 - which was fewer than the Big East.

That's some fairly objective data that the leagues aren't playing anywhere near the same level anymore.

That and the fact that the last 7 titles are in SEC ADs. The last 2 times Ohio State played an SEC team they were absolutely throttled. People point to weak OOC schedules, why then, does the SEC win every time they play for the title?

 

[beasteast]

Everyone says the SEC is down, then the national championship rolls around and the SEC destroys everyone. Not sure how you can judge someone by being the best in the country if they have played no one.

i was just saying i dont think the conference is loaded this year. I DO feel the FSU can play and beat any team in the country. (that's not to say that Bama, Missouri or Auburn couldnt beat them). just because perception of being a great conference is shoved down our throats (espn) , doesnt mean other conferences are not worthy. bottom line is winner of a big boy conference that goes undefeated goes to the game. thats the way it should be. Bama should not get a sniff of that game. they couldnt win their division in their conference. if Missouri beats Auburn, they should leap Bama in BCS and should get to play in the game if TOSU or FSU loses. Only way a 1 loss SEC get to play in the game, is if either of the 2 undefeated teams lose.

 

[CTBasketball]

i was just saying i dont think the conference is loaded this year. I DO feel the FSU can play and beat any team in the country. (that's not to say that Bama, Missouri or Auburn couldnt beat them). just because perception of being a great conference is shoved down our throats (espn) , doesnt mean other conferences are not worthy. bottom line is winner of a big boy conference that goes undefeated goes to the game. thats the way it should be. Bama should not get a sniff of that game. they couldnt win their division in their conference. if Missouri beats Auburn, they should leap Bama in BCS and should get to play in the game if TOSU or FSU loses. Only way a 1 loss SEC get to play in the game, is if either of the 2 undefeated teams lose.

If OSU and FSU remain undefeated and say Auburn wins the SEC, then Auburn has every right to go to the title game. They took down the reigning champs, the #1 team in the country, and have played almost flawless football the last two months.

 

[Jax Husky]

i was just saying i dont think the conference is loaded this year. I DO feel the FSU can play and beat any team in the country. (that's not to say that Bama, Missouri or Auburn couldnt beat them). just because perception of being a great conference is shoved down our throats (espn) , doesnt mean other conferences are not worthy. bottom line is winner of a big boy conference that goes undefeated goes to the game. thats the way it should be. Bama should not get a sniff of that game. they couldnt win their division in their conference. if Missouri beats Auburn, they should leap Bama in BCS and should get to play in the game if TOSU or FSU loses. Only way a 1 loss SEC get to play in the game, is if either of the 2 undefeated teams lose.

So, the SEC is down this year, and is only getting plaudits because of hype. What do you have to show that it is down? How the heck do you explain Ohio State then? They are basically Northern Illinois. The SEC is bad in your view because of a weak OOC. Have you even looked at OSU's OOC (Buffalo, SDSU, Cal, Florida A&M)? Michigan STate (who I think is a damned good team) has played Western Michigan, Youngstown St., South Florida, and Notre Dame. Not really a world beater OOC either. You'd think with all the complaining B1G teams do about SEC OOC schedules, they'd schedule some tough teams themselves.

Luckily, this is the last year for these stupid types of arguments (not saying your argument is stupid, just the fact that we have to debate the #2 and #3 team). The Final Four will go a LONG way towards fixing this.

 

[beasteast]

If OSU and FSU remain undefeated and say Auburn wins the SEC, then Auburn has every right to go to the title game. They took down the reigning champs, the #1 team in the country, and have played ALMOST flawless football the last two months.

You said the key word.. Almost flawless... that does'nt trump the word perfect

 

[beasteast]

So, the SEC is down this year, and is only getting plaudits because of hype. What do you have to show that it is down? How the heck do you explain Ohio State then? They are basically Northern Illinois. The SEC is bad in your view because of a weak OOC. Have you even looked at OSU's OOC (Buffalo, SDSU, Cal, Florida A&M)? Michigan STate (who I think is a damned good team) has played Western Michigan, Youngstown St., South Florida, and Notre Dame. Not really a world beater OOC either. You'd think with all the complaining B1G teams do about SEC OOC schedules, they'd schedule some tough teams themselves.

Luckily, this is the last year for these stupid types of arguments (not saying your argument is stupid, just the fact that we have to debate the #2 and #3 team). The Final Four will go a LONG way towards fixing this.

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If you dont think going undefeated for 2 years in the B1G is worthy of the chance to play in the game, why not just have the winner of the SEC champion crowned the National Champion. (they may just lose to MSU)-but if they win, they belong in the game. While i do feel the SEC is the deeper of the conferences in quality of the teams, there are good teams in other conferences.

Trust me, i hate TOSU, but if the win, they earned the right to play in the game. (i also hate the Pontif.

 

[geordi]

When are you guys going to realize that playoffs do not EVER identify the best team - or conference for that matter. they identify the team that's hot on that day. How else do we get 'national champions' that can't even win their own conferences?

 

[beasteast]

i will say my argument that the SEC is down, was a weak one. but this, EVERY SEC person, promoter, etc.. all said that when A&M and MIZZU came to the conference, that they were gonna get a large dose of big boy football... well, the two teams seem to play with the big boys and in MIZZU's case this year, beaten those teams...AND they lost their QB

 

[billybud]

I like what the guy said on ESPN...

The tag to our College Football ad is "College Football...where every game counts"

not..."College Football, where every game counts*
*unless you are in the SEC"

 

[Jerry1714]

Stick to basketball. FSU is the best team in the country. They have no holes. They are better than Bama.

Then would Bama be favored by every casino in Vegas if they played on neutral site? Please do not say they need to get even money on the games because that is an argument for people who have no clue about how it works.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Then would Bama be favored by every casino in Vegas if they played on neutral site? Please do not say they need to get even money on the games because that is an argument for people who have no clue about how it works.

I admit I have no idea how that works. I bet one game this year. I put money on FSU giving 3 to Clemson on the road because I thought they were going to bury them. It's only my opinion but if they played 10 times on a neutral field I'd guess FSU wins 6 or 7 times. Is your argument that Vegas is never wrong?

 

[whaler11]

I admit I have no idea how that works. I bet one game this year. I put money on FSU giving 3 to Clemson on the road because I thought they were going to bury them. It's only my opinion but if they played 10 times on a neutral field I'd guess FSU wins 6 or 7 times. Is your argument that Vegas is never wrong?

No but they are right a lot more than the public on message boards.

I agree though I think FSU is better.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

No but they are right a lot more than the public on message boards.

I agree though I think FSU is better.

Of course they're right more than us.

I'm arguing for FSU based on what my eyes tell me and the numbers dictate.

It is possible to have a different opinion than Vegas and still be right.

 

[Jerry1714]

I admit I have no idea how that works. I bet one game this year. I put money on FSU giving 3 to Clemson on the road because I thought they were going to bury them. It's only my opinion but if they played 10 times on a neutral field I'd guess FSU wins 6 or 7 times. Is your argument that Vegas is never wrong?

No not at all, they are wrong plenty. I was just saying that FSU being much better than Bama is up for debate.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

No not at all, they are wrong plenty. I was just saying that FSU being much better than Bama is up for debate.

No disagreement there. My original response was to someone claiming there were 4 or 5 SEC teams that would beat FSU.