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To be honest, I was a little bit disappointed in Furphy in that one. Shooting is one thing - especially with tired legs - but he didn’t impact the game really at all in the second half and OT. Didn’t see the sort of intangibles or winning plays or “dog” in him that I would have liked to see in a game they had to win.

Getting in our system will less selfish teammates will help, but I am going to dial back my expectations on him a little until I see him bring more to the table. Right now he seems like the kind of guy where if his shot isn’t going, he won’t give you much of anything else.

But maybe he’ll show more against France and I’ll change my mind.
 
Gurleyman said:
To be honest, I was a little bit disappointed in Furphy in that one. Shooting is one thing - especially with tired legs - but he didn’t impact the game really at all in the second half and OT. Didn’t see the sort of intangibles or winning plays or “dog” in him that I would have liked to see in a game they had to win.

Getting in our system will less selfish teammates will help, but I am going to dial back my expectations on him a little until I see him bring more to the table. Right now he seems like the kind of guy where if his shot isn’t going, he won’t give you much of anything else.

But maybe he’ll show more against France and I’ll change my mind.
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I think his team high + 17 should change your mind somewhat - no?
 
Gurleyman said:
To be honest, I was a little bit disappointed in Furphy in that one. Shooting is one thing - especially with tired legs - but he didn’t impact the game really at all in the second half and OT. Didn’t see the sort of intangibles or winning plays or “dog” in him that I would have liked to see in a game they had to win.

Getting in our system will less selfish teammates will help, but I am going to dial back my expectations on him a little until I see him bring more to the table. Right now he seems like the kind of guy where if his shot isn’t going, he won’t give you much of anything else.

But maybe he’ll show more against France and I’ll change my mind.
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Yesterday everyone loved him and today not so much. It's hard to watch such a small sample size and be so positive or so negative.
 
Edward Sargent said:
I think his team high + 17 should change your mind somewhat - no?
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Not really - I have always felt that +/- in a single game doesn’t tell you much. It’s more of a stat that has value over long term. The sample size is too small.

In this case, the reason he led the team in +/- is because he sat for 2 minutes in the fourth and Cameroon went on a quick 9-0 run (capped by a banked-in 3). Those 2 minutes aren’t necessarily enough to draw conclusions from.
 
Gurleyman said:
Not really - I have always felt that +/- in a single game doesn’t tell you much. It’s more of a stat that has value over long term. The sample size is too small.

In this case, the reason he led the team in +/- is because he sat for 2 minutes in the fourth and Cameroon went on a quick 9-0 run (capped by a banked-in 3). Those 2 minutes aren’t necessarily enough to draw conclusions from.
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I also think that was the only time he sat. He was running the offense the entire game and they won - without him they would not have won.
 
I can see him having Alex-like low usage period where it doesn't look like he did much until you see the box score and he has double-digit points plus a handful of assists and rebounds. Plays within himself (especially on such a hectic team).
 
husky429 said:
I'm really not seeing it with Dash Daniels. How is this kid a projected lottery pick? I haven't watched the game but he looks barely better than a bunch of kids that aren't even sniffing the NBL. Obviously an NBA frame and speed, but idk what else
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I mostly agree but he's also one of the younger players in the event at 17, so plenty of time to get better. I do think he would have been better served to come to the US for two years to play college ball instead of staying in Australia for a year on a pro contract to be draft eligible next year.
 
Again, Furphy appeared to be one of the few composed players for Australia. He is also a leader/talker, in terms of calling out positioning on defense and offense. I'm just not sure how many of his teammates listen/understand basketball. The bigs look like they are just picking up the ball for the first time and the other guards have dribbling issues. Ignoring the scoring, he does a ton of the things that are conducive to winning. Processing of the game seems really high.

Reibe looked better in the third quarter but had a pretty poor first half and fourth quarter. I think he scored 13 of his points in the third. He got scored on twice from what I recall in the first half but did actually play decent defense. Once on a nice pump-fake and drive by a big from the three point line and once on a blow-by from a guard when he was switched. Germany has him running a high hedge a lot and he is decent at it but his recovery to his man is a bit slower than one would like. His passing is pretty basic but solid. Germany, overall, has a guard issue. They are solid players but not creators.
 
DRBackup said:
Huh. You don't say.
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I mean, during that stretch, Cameroon hit a 3, Australia got a wide, wide open 3 in the corner against the zone. Completely uncontested. Missed. Then Cameroon had a disjointed possession where they probably got away with a travel and a big ended up banking in a contested 3 late in the shot clock … and AUS called timeout and put Furphy back in (after only 50 seconds actually). That’s a -6 that Furphy doesn’t get because he happened to be sitting for one unlucky sequence. A single game +/- can sometimes just be coincidence. Not always. Sometimes it tells you something (if a PG comes out and a team can’t run their offense, or if a center comes out and they give up putbacks, or they can’t draw double teams and get open looks, you can glean something from it). And also, to be fair, that doesn’t account for all of the +17 … AUS was also -6 in the first half without him on the floor. There might be something more substantial to glean from that stretch.

Furphy actually banked in his own 3 to start the fourth … and then was 0-4 with 1 assist and 1 rebound in the 19 minutes that followed (although they actually gave Furphy credit for the basket when Cameroon dunked on themselves - so he did get a gift 2 points there in the stats). That’s a full half of crunch time basketball being basically invisible in a win or go home scenario. He’s the team captain. That’s not good enough. And I’m not worried about shooting with tired legs, but impact the game in other ways. He reminded me too much of mid-slump Karaban.
 
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Gurleyman said:
I mean, during that stretch, Australia got a wide, wide open 3 in the corner against the zone. Completely uncontested. Missed. Then Cameroon had a disjointed possession where they probably got away with a travel and a big ended up banking in a contested 3 late in the shot clock … and AUS called timeout and put Furphy back in (after only 50 seconds actually). That’s a -6 that Furphy doesn’t get because he happened to be sitting for one unlucky sequence. A single game +/- can sometimes just be coincidence. Not always. Sometimes it tells you something (if a PG comes out and a team can’t run their offense, or if a center comes out and they give up putbacks, or they can’t draw double teams and get open looks, you can glean something from it). And also, to be fair, that doesn’t account for all of the +17 … AUS was also -6 in the first half without him on the floor. There might be something more substantial to glean from that stretch.

Furphy actually banked in his own 3 to start the fourth … and then was 0-4 with 1 assist and 1 rebound in the 19 minutes that followed (although they actually gave Furphy credit for the basket when Cameroon dunked on themselves - so he did get a gift 2 points there in the stats). That’s a full half of crunch time basketball being basically invisible in a win or go home scenario.

He’s the team captain. That’s not good enough. And I’m not worried about shooting with tired legs, but impact the game in other ways. He reminded me too much of mid-slump Karaban.
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You and many others are extrapolating way too much from these two games. Let alone a half like you’re doing. Yesterday was exponentially more telling considering the competition. A back to back in which he has to play the entire game after playing almost the entire game yesterday. All while trying to muster up the care to play Cameroon, are terrible conditions to take much of any meaningful information from.
 
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Gurleyman said:
Getting in our system will less selfish teammates will help, but I am going to dial back my expectations on him a little until I see him bring more to the table. Right now he seems like the kind of guy where if his shot isn’t going, he won’t give you much of anything else.
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if this is what you got from watching 2 games, I think I can safely not put any confidence in your opinion, respectfully. He is the type of player who makes everyone else better. Does the little things, the proper cuts, the extra pass, the pointing out where to be on the court, being the best help defender out there. He is a stabilizing force, the coach on the floor. Baby Samoan Barkley never passed and tried to Bald Bull himself through the lane every possession, not to mention Furphy seemed tired with so much usage. Sorry if this came off salty, but Im baffled thats what you came away with as a player assessment. And I agree he didnt play well today, but you can see the type of player he is.
 
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AntG168 said:
You and many others are extrapolating way too much from these two games. Let alone a half like you’re doing. Yesterday was exponentially more telling considering the competition. A back to back in which he has to play the entire game after playing almost the entire game yesterday. All while trying to muster up the care to play Cameroon, are terrible conditions to take much of any meaningful information from.
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I'm not drawing sweeping conclusions from either game but why phrase it like this? If they lost to Cameroon they're pretty much eliminated from moving on from pool play, the motivation was already there.
 
HooperScooper said:
Was Hurley there today?

www.courant.com

UConn men’s basketball freshmen Jacob Furphy, Eric Reibe shine to start FIBA U19 World Cup

UConn men’s basketball has two representatives at the FIBA U19 World Cup in incoming freshmen Jacob Furphy (Australia) and Eric Reibe (Germany).
www.courant.com www.courant.com

Alternate access:
UConn men’s basketball freshmen Jacob Furphy, Eric Reibe shine to start FIBA U19 World Cup
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I would assume so. Other than vacationing what would the point of going over there if they are going to miss the majority of the games? I'm hoping they come back with some nice "souvenirs" for us all to enjoy in coming seasons.
 
aceboon said:
I'm not drawing sweeping conclusions from either game but why phrase it like this? If they lost to Cameroon they're pretty much eliminated from moving on from pool play, the motivation was already there.
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Everyone moves on from pool play. They'd just have to play the top seed in the other bracket (probably Israel), who isn't even that good.
 
auror said:
Everyone moves on from pool play. They'd just have to play the top seed in the other bracket (probably Israel), who isn't even that good.
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Got it, I thought they ran it like the World Cup and Olympics where only the top teams move past the group stage. Either way the schedule is known beforehand, it still doesn't make sense to phrase it like they have to get up to play Cameroon, they just got their asses whooped the day before I would hope they would be motivated.
 
FreeKlaiber said:
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if this is what you got from watching 2 games, I think I can safely not put any confidence in your opinion, respectfully. He is the type of player who makes everyone else better. Does the little things, the proper cuts, the extra pass, the pointing out where to be on the court, being the best help defender out there. He is a stabilizing force, the coach on the floor. Baby Samoan Barkley never passed and tried to Bald Bull himself through the lane every possession, not to mention Furphy seemed tired with so much usage. Sorry if this came off salty, but Im baffled thats what you came away with as a player assessment. And I agree he didnt play well today, but you can see the type of player he is.
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LMFAO, Bald Bull. Thanks for bringing up memories of Mike Tyson's punch out. I will have to steal that phrase, "Bald Bull himself through the lane"
 
Gurleyman said:
Not really - I have always felt that +/- in a single game doesn’t tell you much. It’s more of a stat that has value over long term. The sample size is too small.

In this case, the reason he led the team in +/- is because he sat for 2 minutes in the fourth and Cameroon went on a quick 9-0 run (capped by a banked-in 3). Those 2 minutes aren’t necessarily enough to draw conclusions from.
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This is (I think) one of the better unintentionally funny, self-owned posts I've seen in a while.

"His plus/minus is inflated and not relevant because when he sat the other team went on a run".
 
I can't believe people are arguing over plus/minus for a single game?! And a FIBA game at that.

I thought we'd long got over the fact that this is a very indirect stat and much more a product of who you are playing with and against vs how you performed.
 
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