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Reality vs fear

I can't say I 100% align with the original post, but what are others concerned about. Is it one of the following:
  • P4 or P2 or whatever it becomes creates their own tournament or simply muscles all the other schools out of the existing tournament?
  • Px simply has so much more money they buy all the good players
  • Px eventually buys Dan Hurley

What are the other options people are concerned about?

I can't say I'm 100% aligned with the original post. I disagree with some of the tone/confidence.... but we did just win back-to-back in this "new era"... or whatever we are in. That's not nothing. And we did it with an offense that is incredibly appealing for future recruits. Us and maybe Alabama are running some of the most "NBA-like" offense in college basketball.
I am concerned about the first point. I think it's quite possible that, no matter how much money football schools make, they will be spending it on football. But if they stop competing with other conferences, ....
 
Historically bad? Not including actual winning seasons and bowl games we won?
Please, as a UConn Alum it's still not hard to admit that UConn has been dreadful in football for a long time. Just plain horrible, for many years. There hasn't been a single season with a winning record since 2010, and only 6 winning seasons out of the last 25. That's objectively awful.
 
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Several things are going to happen shortly that will actually help UConn (and the Big East).

1. Big East TV negotiations are going well
2. NCAA tournament will likely expand to 72 or 76 teams


We will be fine.
What does the TV contract is "going well" mean and how does this differ from what the PAC commissioner was saying this time last year?

The only reason we heard anything contrary last year was Colorado intended to leave. No one in the Big East is going anywhere (other than the UConn AD who is jumping ship things are going so well).
 
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Recent alum I take it.
I graduated 36 years ago. The football team has had 6 winning seasons out of the past 25 seasons. Is that not dreadful? In the last 6 seasons there have been 3 or less wins in 5 of the 6. Abysmal, dreadful, horrible...pick whatever word you like to describe it...it is what it is.
 
What does when he graduated have to do with it?

Are you disputing his statement that UConn football has been dreadful for a long time?
Gee John, maybe ask him since he mentioned he was an alum.

What's a long time in your book?
 
While there is reason to be fearful, things have not shaken out entire. Ten years ago everyone knew Texas and Oklahoma were going to the PAC at the next opportunity.

The first likely move (in the off-chance things go as expected) will be the dissolution of the ACC. UConn should be making an effort to become a member of that rump party (ala the New Big 12). While football might not be included in the Grand Plan, a basketball conference that includes UConn, Duke, Cuse, St. Johns, Villanova, Georgetown, NC State, etc. will be hard to exclude from a tournament that arrives at a "national title" without people questioning its validity (and without another broadcaster creating a rival tourney).

While UConn should remain calm but opportunistic, mostly we should just enjoy what might be one of the great runs in college basketball history.
 
You might as well throw Yale and Carlisle football in there as well.
Exactly John. The point is that things change and there's a recency bias in the modern world.
 
Exactly John. The point is that things change and there's a recency bias in the modern world.
Yep, a recency bias. UConn men's basketball has won the most championships in the last 50 years.

That may be recent to you but it's not to most.
 
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Even if UConn doesn't land an all sports invite we will almost certainly get a non-Football invite somewhere. UConn basketball is huge and the fourth highest basketball generator in the nation and there is no competition in the Northeast. If our market was already saturated with big power schools I would be concerned but it obviously isn't and the area is a college sports hole (that UConn is filling)

But this is worst case scenario. UConn will still likely get a full B12 or ACC invite. How soon depends on how the ACC case progresses
 
UConn can survive in some form I imagine as long as the players are paid via NIL.

If the schools can begin to pay the kids directly, it's hard to see how we could offer competitive packages when so far outpaced in tv money from the p4 football leagues.
 
Yep, a recency bias. UConn men's basketball has won the most championships in the last 50 years.

That may be recent to you but it's not to most.
Now tell me how the program was perceived in the AAC days. That's recency bias John.
 
Now tell me how the program was perceived in the AAC days. That's recency bias John.
When they won the national championship, pretty damn good. People noticed we were bad for three seasons under Ollie. Now people see us as the best basketball program in the country. Again, most titles out of anyone in the last 50 years.

Man, you're really struggling.
 
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When they won the national championship, pretty damn good. People noticed we were bad for three seasons under Ollie. Now people see us as the best basketball program in the country. Again, most titles out of anyone in the last 50 years.

Man, you're really struggling.
Actually, it's you who are struggling with the strategic picture.
 
Even if UConn doesn't land an all sports invite we will almost certainly get a non-Football invite somewhere. UConn basketball is huge and the fourth highest basketball generator in the nation and there is no competition in the Northeast. If our market was already saturated with big power schools I would be concerned but it obviously isn't and the area is a college sports hole (that UConn is filling)

But this is worst case scenario. UConn will still likely get a full B12 or ACC invite. How soon depends on how the ACC case progresses
There is no reason why UConn football couldn’t be just as good as the BC and Syracuses of the world on an equal level playing field with the right coach which I believe Jim Mora is.
 
There is no reason why UConn football couldn’t be just as good as the BC and Syracuses of the world on an equal level playing field with the right coach which I believe Jim Mora is.
Right coach and appropriate investment and conference framework.
 
What does when he graduated have to do with it?

Are you disputing his statement that UConn football has been dreadful for a long time?
Of course its dreadful you replace a geriatric dud, with a dud with pretty blue eyes, you then bring back a guy who had no interest in doing the job. The investment hasn't been there in football so you get the results we got. But i get. Money doesn't grown on trees and we have 2 high profile BB programs at the top of the heap that require maximum resources. Football has been largely treated like an afterthought.
 
Actually, it's you who are struggling with the strategic picture.
You're having trouble with someone saying UConn football has been dreadful for a long time and you brought up CCNY basketball in regards to UConn basketball.

Keep embarrassing yourself.
 
You're having trouble with someone saying UConn football has been dreadful for a long time and you brought up CCNY basketball in regards to UConn basketball.

Keep embarrassing yourself.
Keep missing the point on purpose.
 
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Of course its dreadful you replace a geriatric dud, with a dud with pretty blue eyes, you then bring back a guy who had no interest in doing the job. The investment hasn't been there in football so you get the results we got. But i get. Money doesn't grown on trees and we have 2 high profile BB programs at the top of the heap that require maximum resources. Football has been largely treated like an afterthought.
Agreed but it wasn't treated like an afterthought until more recently. They built top of the line practice/training facilities at that time but the program was embarrassed when the snake Edsall slipped out in the dark of night and then told everyone Maryland football is his dream job. They spent competitive money on PP and Diaco (actually they were overpaid) but they were awful hires. They totally embarrassed themselves when they were the only program to cancel their entire football season and when they hired back the snake.
 
I'm a big Dan Hurley fan and I believe he can keep the chuckwagon rolling. I can't say for certain though that he is so much better than everyone else, or that perhaps there was a little bit of luck putting together this year's squad. Talent, fit, teamwork, motivation, roles, unselfishness. Whatever it is, they had it all this year. I don't think this type of combination can be expected every year, but who knows.

Bottom line is, if Dan Hurley wants UConn to match the next offer, I don't think UConn could, or would. And that's a bad position to be in.
 
Keep missing the point on purpose.
What's your point? Your points seem to be that UConn can/will become CCNY in basketball and that UConn football hasn't been dreadful for a long time.

If those aren't the points you're making can you please explain what the points you're making are?
 
I'm a big Dan Hurley fan and I believe he can keep the chuckwagon rolling. I can't say for certain though that he is so much better than everyone else, or that perhaps there was a little bit of luck putting together this year's squad. Talent, fit, teamwork, motivation, roles, unselfishness. Whatever it is, they had it all this year. I don't think this type of combination can be expected every year, but who knows.

Bottom line is, if Dan Hurley wants UConn to match the next offer, I don't think UConn could, or would. And that's a bad position to be in.
UConn's dominance isn't "luck", and if Hurley didn't believe in the future of the school or that they wouldn't pay him what he's worth he wouldn't have stayed

I mean he turned down becoming the highest paid coach between Basketball AND Football. That says a lot
 
UConn's dominance isn't "luck", and if Hurley didn't believe in the future of the school or that they wouldn't pay him what he's worth he wouldn't have stayed

I mean he turned down becoming the highest paid coach between Basketball AND Football. That says a lot
100%!! In order to make the case that money will guarantee the SEC championships we'd have to ignore the Dan Hurley refusal. This is the scenario many BYers are saying may happen in the future: p4s have so much dough they'll squash us.
why look ahead? They just tried it. In the biggest way ever and lost. Your "future" just happened and crapped the bed. By your own coach.

Sounds like some of you think he should've taken the KY job.
 
If you are not worried about the future for schools that have been left out of the power structure running the game, I do not know what to tell you.
I would never argue with you because I learned years ago I’m not going to win. So my non-argumentative thought is that I just don’t think all the best players are going to accumulate on the same rosters just because they’re getting more NIL. These kids want court time, and star time. That means they’re going to have to disburse themselves to different programs. Here’s my question, in a four year period there’s got to be 400 kids circulating out of the top 100 for each year. Isn’t that enough to keep the top 80 schools competitive? Even if there are 20 schools outside the power structure? And Go Huskies. Unbelievable!
 
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