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I wanted Lin back, but the Knicks really telegraphed what their intentions were to the point that it was in someone's best interest to back the Knicks into a financial corner. Houston was more than happy to oblige, and at his price tag, I can see why they'd walk away.

On the other hand, they had no problem blowing through cash on Eddie Curry, Steve Francis, et al.
 
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with all the players Dolan has blown money on it seems weird for him to now take a stand against a overpaying the one guy who would still make him a ton of money to help offset the luxury tax issues. I know its different circumstances since Lin will make $15M in year 3 but Jerome James got $30M for doing absolutely nothing,
 

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I didn't have any idea that Gadzuric, Jeffries or Thomas were still in the league.
 

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All we need is Houston, Sprewell and Ward to return.

Houston looked great during all star weekend btw.

Also noticed this tidbit:

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Melo & Chris Paul walked through media room here in Vegas & Melo said, referring to CP3, "You'll see him in NY in a couple years."(smiling).


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If Lin ends up in Houston. as now appears likely, I think all three parties--Lin, the Knicks and the Rockets--acted foolishly and essentially ended up biting off each of their own noses to spite their own faces. The Knicks' own negotiating incompetence lead them to telegraph their moves and put them in a position to be exposed and taken advantage of. Lin going surreptitiously to Las Vegas renegotiate and sign a new contract that made the third year essentially suicide for the Knicks was really foolish imo. Even though it guarantees him $6M more, it probably seals his fate and sends him to Houston, a worse franchise, a worse market and, well, in Houston instead of New York. Houston restructuring the contract just to stick it to the Knicks will now backfire when they are forced to accept it, and it will hinder their own flexibility just as the luxury tax penalties increase.

As much as I like the Lin story, I don't think he's a superstar, or that he has superstar potential. Not that Felton is either. But if this gives the Knicks more flexibility to get a superstar point guard--say, CP3--in the next two years, it could end up as a good thing for them at least. And if Lin and Houston really did re-do the contract as reported, at least the Knicks will have some cover to fight the inevitable backlash they will get for letting him go.
 

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I like Lin, but not for 15 million dollars in one year.

It's not a popular thing to say in Knick nation, but I'm ok with this trade. It reunites STAT with Felton and we now have 2 pg's with playoff experience.


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If Lin accepted the Knicks offer, that would be very interesting.
 
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I've said before that the Knicks are better off getting Felton for a lot less than Lin.

People forget Felton averaged 17.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg and 9.0 apg in 60 games playing under D'Antoni. For comparison's sake, Lin averaged 14.6 ppg, 3.1 rpg and 6.2 apg...only in 35 games playing under D'Antoni.

No doubt Lin can play, but Felton is a much safer bet to perform to his salary. He's also a much better passer, makes for one less guy who NEEDS the ball in his hands a lot and, most importantly, he isn't a defensive liability.

Good move for the Knicks.
 

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No doubt that this is the smarter move for the Knicks at that price. The only thing that scares me now is that they have three days to screw it up and decide to match the new Lin deal nonetheless.
 

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I don't see any way the Knicks can get CP3, no matter what Amare and that MORON Melo say.
 
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I've said before that the Knicks are better off getting Felton for a lot less than Lin.

People forget Felton averaged 17.1 ppg, 3.6 rpg and 9.0 apg in 60 games playing under D'Antoni. For comparison's sake, Lin averaged 14.6 ppg, 3.1 rpg and 6.2 apg...only in 35 games playing under D'Antoni.

No doubt Lin can play, but Felton is a much safer bet to perform to his salary. He's also a much better passer, makes for one less guy who NEEDS the ball in his hands a lot and, most importantly, he isn't a defensive liability.

Good move for the Knicks.

Lin barely played in 10 of those games. Felton is going to be fine, but Lin is a better player than Felton already and his upside is obviously much higher.

I really don't understand the Knicks. Why didn't they just offer him a 4yr/$24MM contract and none of this would have mattered. Sure, loyalty matters but let's not forget that D'Antoni basically had to play Lin out of desperation and then was like "oh , he actually knows how to play."

Melo and JR should really just stop talking although JR is right that there will be jealousies. But players should be professionals and get over it, this will happen on every team.
 
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Stephen A Smith just talks without thinking. It's pretty incredible.

Yes he does, but he actually does know alot when it comes to the NBA, alot of times he will spew his opinions too much rather then report information. When he has reported rumors of NBA moves he has been right.
 

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I love how Carmelo called Lin's contract "ridiculous". Don't know if there's anyone happier to see him leave.
 

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Next time Carmelo does anything significant in the NBA will be the first time. Most overrated "star" of the last 50 years.
 

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Player of the month in the month in April. Starter in this past seasons all star game.

And that's just in the past year.
 
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Lin barely played in 10 of those games. Felton is going to be fine, but Lin is a better player than Felton already and his upside is obviously much higher.
Do we really know this though?

Lin is probably the better player but, um, he played in 35 duck*ing games last year (all under D'Antoni, no less). He obviously belongs in this league, but no one - including Lin himself - has any clue what kind of a player he really is.
 
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Do we really know this though?

Lin is probably the better player but, um, he played in 35 duck*ing games last year (all under D'Antoni, no less). He obviously belongs in this league, but no one - including Lin himself - has any clue what kind of a player he really is.

There will be more pressure on Lin to live up to expectations then the Knicks, especially if he goes to the Rockets. Lin has not shown he can go to his left nor has he shown that he can handle the rigors of an NBA season his durability has come into question. Felton is more of a safer pick, with Lin you dont know what your going to get long term.
 
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The Knicks also question Lin's level of commitment once he became a celebrity.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/sto...y-lin-houston-rockets-offer-sheet-sources-say, Stephen A Smith is a pretty reliable source

Stephen A. Smith is one of the biggest jacka** out there. He is a total tool and a total Lin hater. Have you ever listen to him on the radio? He hates Lin and the fact Lin stole the limelight away from his black players. He is all about promoting black players and put down anything that might take away their spotlight. Listen to him enough times and you will realize he is one of those semi-racist types who is only there in the media to cause controversies. His love affair with money Mayweather is another story that I won't even go into it here. At least Mayweather is honest with his intentions when he tweet racist stuff.
 
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There will be more pressure on Lin to live up to expectations then the Knicks, especially if he goes to the Rockets. Lin has not shown he can go to his left nor has he shown that he can handle the rigors of an NBA season his durability has come into question. Felton is more of a safer pick, with Lin you dont know what your going to get long term.

There are some questions about Lin, but there are a ton of questions about Felton too. One thing is for sure though that Lin's ceiling is much higher than Felton's anyway you spin it. In Houston I think he will be under less pressure especially if they somehow get Bynum or Howard. Lin can't go to his left is a myth. They said he can't shoot either and he knocked down so many clutch jump shots when he was playing. The kid has a lot more ability than you give him credit for.
 
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Stephen A. Smith is one of the biggest jacka** out there. He is a total tool and a total Lin hater. Have you ever listen to him on the radio? He hates Lin and the fact Lin stole the limelight away from his black players. He is all about promoting black players and put down anything that might take away their spotlight. Listen to him enough times and you will realize he is one of those semi-racist types who is only there in the media to cause controversies. His love affair with money Mayweather is another story that I won't even go into it here. At least Mayweather is honest with his intentions when he tweet racist stuff.

Well, promoting black players I'm not sure about. Last time I checked the NBA was 85% black. Plain and simple, he's like a Bill Reilly that talks about sports.
 
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Well, promoting black players I'm not sure about. Last time I checked the NBA was 85% black. Plain and simple, he's like a Bill Reilly that talks about sports.

It is not just the NBA. If you listen to him enough, I don't think I ever heard him giving anyone credit other than black players. There is definitely a trend to his comments. His support for money Mayweather is what amazes me. The guy is a crook who beats on women yet SAS treats him like he is a god. He is also a chicken but you will never hear SAS say that.

Anyway, discussion about SAS has been beaten to death on Knick's forum since he openly bashed Lin multiple times on public radio. On ESPN, he tries to appear impartial but he really showed his true colors when he was on NYC radio station.
 
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