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Ranking the freshmen class so far

Haven't seen yall play this year, interested in seeing Brown and Crooks.

And you won't see them unless you subscribe to ESPN+. Cyclones are wearing their Harry Potter invisibility cloak the rest of the season, their only national broadcast game was versus Iowa. The game at Texas will be Longhorn Network that only Texas fans subscribe to so that could be a good game no one will see.
 
And you won't see them unless you subscribe to ESPN+. Cyclones are wearing their Harry Potter invisibility cloak the rest of the season, their only national broadcast game was versus Iowa. The game at Texas will be Longhorn Network that only Texas fans subscribe to so that could be a good game no one will see.

Well i am a ESPN+ subscriber, and I also get the Ribeye Network as well.
 
You mean the "Only Beef Brisket is Real BBQ Network?"

I got some brisket the other day, finally got around to eating it yesterday.... a bit too much salt, but imma finish it off for lunch tomorrow.
 
This is an outstanding freshman class. I have Madison Booker on the top of the list thus far in the season. With Harmon out for Texas, Madison Booker played the point for Texas. This kid is a star already. So competent and skilled. Can get her shot off from anywhere and knows how to create space before she lets it go. Has a pro body already.
 
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And you won't see them unless you subscribe to ESPN+. Cyclones are wearing their Harry Potter invisibility cloak the rest of the season, their only national broadcast game was versus Iowa. The game at Texas will be Longhorn Network that only Texas fans subscribe to so that could be a good game no one will see.
That is a bummer that Iowa State won't get much national coverage. I like the Cyclones and huge fan of Coach Fennelly. I love his coaching philosophy and style and I really love what he is doing with Audi, which is just letting her play. Playing through mistakes & successes.
 
One of the most impactful freshmen classes in recent memory. Ranking based on quality of play from scoring, to assists, to defense, to rebounding.

1. Juju Watkins (USC)
2. Hannah Hidalgo (ND)
3. Madison Booker (Texas)
4. Malaysia Fulwiley (SC)
5. Taliah Scott (Arkansas)
6. Zoe Brooks (NC ST)
7. Ashlynn Shade (UCONN)
8. Addy Brown (Iowa St)
9. KK Arnold (UCONN)
10. Mikaylah Williams (LSU)
11. Stailee Heard (Ok St)
12. Oluchi Okananwa (Duke)
13. S'Mya Nichols (Kansas)
14. Audi Cooks (Iowa St)
15. Kailey Woolston (BYU)
Williams from LSU is top 3
 
One of the most impactful freshmen classes in recent memory. Ranking based on quality of play from scoring, to assists, to defense, to rebounding.

1. Juju Watkins (USC)
2. Hannah Hidalgo (ND)
3. Madison Booker (Texas)
4. Malaysia Fulwiley (SC)
5. Taliah Scott (Arkansas)
6. Zoe Brooks (NC ST)
7. Ashlynn Shade (UCONN)
8. Addy Brown (Iowa St)
9. KK Arnold (UCONN)
10. Mikaylah Williams (LSU)
11. Stailee Heard (Ok St)
12. Oluchi Okananwa (Duke)
13. S'Mya Nichols (Kansas)
14. Audi Cooks (Iowa St)
15. Kailey Woolston (BYU)

That can't be in order. Just can't
 
Ok, so last year I used the NBA "Efficiency game score" calculations to assess the POY candidates to get a relative impact vs. others and that calculation proved quite accurate. Reese was #1(34.7), Caitlin was #2 (30.7), Siegrist was #3 (30.6). So with that as the back drop, I just did the assessment of the 17 freshman at the start of the conference schedule part of the season. Keep in mind that some of these players were going against some very weak teams so their stats are inflated (sorry Mikaylah Williams) but still the numbers and ranking give us a better glimpse as who is most impactful for their teams. As I noted to a fellow BY colleague, Ashlynn Shades contribution is more "myth" than actual value as she is a nice story but the fact she is well below KK (11.7 to 8.8) shows her true value. For further comparison, the POY leader is Caitlin Clark with an Efficiency of 32.2. Paige is 11th at 22.6 and Aaliyah is 12th at 22.3

NameSchoolEfficGPMinFG%3FG%FT%RebAsstA-TOPts
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FrHildagoND30.41133.450.7%38.8%80.4%6.36.21.65924.5
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FrWatkinsUSC27.51031.746.9%45.5%77.6%7.33.70.92526.8
3​
FrBrown, AIowa St21.61234.251.9%37.3%70.8%9.05.81.72514.5
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FrHeard, StaileeOk State19.41232.659.3%36.7%66.7%6.21.91.43815.1
5​
FrCrooksIowa St19.01221.467.2%75.0%60.3%6.00.80.45516.5
6​
FrWilliamsLSU18.11429.152.0%45.5%91.4%4.62.81.25817.1
7​
FrKittsSC16.01219.052.7%0.0%66.7%7.21.80.00010.8
8​
FrPotts,NatalieNebraska14.61323.561.3%27.3%84.4%5.20.70.00011.3
9​
FrWoolston, KaileyBYU14.51435.051.1%49.4%81.3%3.52.60.00014.6
10​
FrBookerTexas14.41424.942.3%23.7%76.9%4.54.42.13812.6
11​
FrScottArkansas14.41536.142.6%31.5%82.2%3.51.50.41823.0
12​
FrFulwileySC14.31219.047.4%31.8%70.0%3.52.91.45812.1
13​
FrBrooksNC State13.91327.643.4%25.9%70.5%4.84.21.61810.0
14​
FrNicholsKansas12.21227.746.9%40.6%75.5%2.72.81.10013.3
15​
FrArnoldUconn11.71326.152.4%40.0%64.7%2.23.20.0008.9
16​
FrOkananwaDuke10.41321.050.0%41.4%78.9%1.52.41.8249.9
17​
FrShadeUConn8.81222.852.3%34.0%100.0%1.81.30.0009.5
 
Ok, so as one of our more didactic colleagues pointed out, Chloe Kitts, while listed in the HoopGurlz 2023 class did enroll early at SC and is classified as a sophomore so....my bad....
 
Ok, so as one of our more didactic colleagues pointed out, Chloe Kitts, while listed in the HoopGurlz 2023 class did enroll early at SC and is classified as a sophomore so....my bad....
Didactic or pedantic?
 
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Didactic or pedantic?
Didactic as I don't think our colleague was trying to be "annoying" per se' (which is what being pedantic would have connotated), just pointing out an issue on Kitts. Plus I want to give him the benefit of the doubt though he may have been pedantic!

While researching this data, I did notice that Duke, who had the #6 ranked class only had their #27 person placed on the list, whereas their #3 Donovan, #29 Thomas and #62 are no where to be found and given their stats, something seems to be amiss. What say you @triaddukefan, lover of the Blue Devilness-what's going on that this squad is not contributing more?
 
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Here's an article by Michael Voepel of ESPNw on Hannah Hidalgo, primarily based on talks with Hidalgo and Niele Ivey, who compares Hidalgo to Skylar Diggins. You might recall that Diggins was Ivey's first recruiting (as in, "sign her") assignment for Muffet McGraw, when she joined the ND coaching staff.

The Irish are on ACC network tonight against Pitt and ESPN2 vs. N. Carolina on Sunday afternoon (5 p.m. ET, I believe).

 
Despite the injuries to Miles and Citron, ND is still a very talented team so Hannah has a lot to work with and is making the most of it. Whether the other talented players "up" their game to keep ND competitive against the better teams is yet to be seen.

Watkins, on the other hand, does not have as talented a cast surrounding her and is also stymied by a limited coaching staff-yes, I am throwing shade at Ms. Gottlieb and her less than stellar offensive schemes.

The ray of hope for ND is Citron makes it back and ND will be better, I see no ray of hope for USC as what you see is what you get.
 
I feel like it's Juju Watkins and Hidalgo with Williams lurking for best freshman, but I know very little about the Iowa State player.
 
I feel like it's Juju Watkins and Hidalgo with Williams lurking for best freshman, but I know very little about the Iowa State player.
The problem Williams has is she is the 3rd option on this LSU team whereas with ISU and Ok State, those players are the top options. Plus, let's be honest, LSU has to now play tougher opponents even in a weak SEC conference than they did with their 103 ranked OOC schedule that allowed Williams to beat up poor opponents. Add in the fact Reese was out for 4 of those games allowing Williams to have the ball more. She's back, Morrow is more comfortable and don't forget about Van Lith who will want the ball more. Williams is a really nice player but she will not be in the top 5 by year end.

I did notice that the Big 12 has 6 of the freshmen listed. SEC has 3 (Kitts is a soph), ACC has 2, Big Ten has 1 and PAC 12 has 1.
 
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The problem Williams has is she is the 3rd option on this LSU team whereas with ISU and Ok State, those players are the top options. Plus, let's be honest, LSU has to now play tougher opponents even in a weak SEC conference than they did with their 103 ranked OOC schedule that allowed Williams to beat up poor opponents. Add in the fact Reese was out for 4 of those games allowing Williams to have the ball more. She's back, Morrow is more comfortable and don't forget about Van Lith who will want the ball more. Williams is a really nice player but she will not be in the top 5 by year end.

I did notice that the Big 12 has 6 of the freshmen listed. SEC has 3 (Kitts is a soph), ACC has 2, Big Ten has 1 and PAC 12 has 1.
Gonna disagree with you. I guess we will see, but Williams performance vs Colorado and VT show me she will likely to continue to stick out in those high profile games and is capable of being that go to player even with all the talent on that roster. I actually think Williams will be more efficient than Hailey Van Lith when SEC play is all said and done. And let’s be honest, LSU does not have a bench so Williams and that starting 5 is gonna essentially play a lot all of SEC play. More so than they would like, which could cause issues for LSU down the road.

But to me, when evaluating these freshmen, gonna need to see more than who scores the most. How efficient are some? Are they rebounding the ball? Assist to turnover ratio? How are they impacting the game on the defensive end. All of that will work itself out down the road. But it’s apparent who the top 5-10 freshmen at this point. Conference play will start to separate those even more.
 
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I feel like it's Juju Watkins and Hidalgo with Williams lurking for best freshman, but I know very little about the Iowa State player.
Other than Hidalgo, the freshman I am most impressed with is at Texas: Madison Booker. She has the size of Watkins, but reminds me of a Magic Johnson PG with Larry Bird game.
 
Other than Hidalgo, the freshman I am most impressed with is at Texas: Madison Booker. She has the size of Watkins, but reminds me of a Magic Johnson PG with Larry Bird game.
I wonder if Magic and Larry have ever discussed if they'd morph themselves. ;)

Booker is a strong combination of multiple traits. She might get worn down playing all those roles as the season goes on, but I suspect it will only make her better and she matures and gets stronger in her career -- here and in the pro's.
 


Leads the team in Points, Rebounds (at 5'9"), Steals, and shooting 43% from downtown (which also leads the team)... in 20 minutes a game.






Didactic as I don't think our colleague was trying to be "annoying" per se' (which is what being pedantic would have connotated), just pointing out an issue on Kitts. Plus I want to give him the benefit of the doubt though he may have been pedantic!

While researching this data, I did notice that Duke, who had the #6 ranked class only had their #27 person placed on the list, whereas their #3 Donovan, #29 Thomas and #62 are no where to be found and given their stats, something seems to be amiss. What say you @triaddukefan, lover of the Blue Devilness-what's going on that this squad is not contributing more?

Donovan started out slow, but is getting better and better. She mentioned a few weeks ago that the game is slowing down for her. Her biggest issue (outside of shooting) is her propensity to get into foul trouble. One thing that sets her apart is her motor especially on the defensive end. Disruptive and relentless. She will be a fixture on All-ACC defensive teams for years to come.

Thomas produces, but she doesn't get many minutes. She is the 8th player in a 10 player rotation. Surprisingly, her two best performances were vs Stanford and South Carolina. 14 points in 31 minutes vs Stanford. 13 points in 18 minutes vs SC on 6-7 shooting. I like her... nothing flashy... but a solid solid player.

Not sure where you got your stats from on your chart.. but Okananwa averages over 6 rebounds a game, not 1.5 Not sure if that has any affect on her rating.
 
Cyclone freshman Audi Crooks was named Big 12 player of the week. She had won freshman of the week before but no Cyclone freshman has ever won POW.

"Crooks led Iowa State to a pair of AP Top 25 wins in the same regular season week for the first time since 2009-10. The Algona, Iowa native had her second career double-double, scoring 22 points with 11 rebounds as the Cyclones erased a 19-point third-quarter deficit to defeat then-No. 24 West Virginia 74-64. The freshman center hit a go-ahead basket with 24 seconds left, which stood as the game-winner, capping a 23-point performance against then-No. 4 Baylor. The criminal justice and sociology major averaged 22.5 points, 8.5 rebounds and shot 57.6 percent from the floor as she collected her first career player of the week nod after two previous freshman of the week selections." - Big 12

In the win over Baylor fellow freshman, forward Addy Brown, had 9 PTS 11 REB 5 AST 6 STL. She's #2 in the league in assists (she's a forward) and #4 in rebounds. Both Crooks and Brown are top 10 in league scoring.
 
Cyclone freshman Audi Crooks was named Big 12 player of the week. She had won freshman of the week before but no Cyclone freshman has ever won POW.

"Crooks led Iowa State to a pair of AP Top 25 wins in the same regular season week for the first time since 2009-10. The Algona, Iowa native had her second career double-double, scoring 22 points with 11 rebounds as the Cyclones erased a 19-point third-quarter deficit to defeat then-No. 24 West Virginia 74-64. The freshman center hit a go-ahead basket with 24 seconds left, which stood as the game-winner, capping a 23-point performance against then-No. 4 Baylor. The criminal justice and sociology major averaged 22.5 points, 8.5 rebounds and shot 57.6 percent from the floor as she collected her first career player of the week nod after two previous freshman of the week selections." - Big 12

In the win over Baylor fellow freshman, forward Addy Brown, had 9 PTS 11 REB 5 AST 6 STL. She's #2 in the league in assists (she's a forward) and #4 in rebounds. Both Crooks and Brown are top 10 in league scoring.
The future is bright in Ames. The Cyclones took their lumps early in a challenging OOC schedule, but they're now a better team for it. (Take note other WCBB coaches: having a young team is no excuse for scheduling pathetic nonconference schedules.)
 
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Gonna disagree with you. I guess we will see, but Williams performance vs Colorado and VT show me she will likely to continue to stick out in those high profile games and is capable of being that go to player even with all the talent on that roster. I actually think Williams will be more efficient than Hailey Van Lith when SEC play is all said and done. And let’s be honest, LSU does not have a bench so Williams and that starting 5 is gonna essentially play a lot all of SEC play. More so than they would like, which could cause issues for LSU down the road.

But to me, when evaluating these freshmen, gonna need to see more than who scores the most. How efficient are some? Are they rebounding the ball? Assist to turnover ratio? How are they impacting the game on the defensive end. All of that will work itself out down the road. But it’s apparent who the top 5-10 freshmen at this point. Conference play will start to separate those even more.
See the post by DefenseBB on 1/3. He laid out many performance measures.
 
One of the most impactful freshmen classes in recent memory. Ranking based on quality of play from scoring, to assists, to defense, to rebounding.

1. Juju Watkins (USC)
2. Hannah Hidalgo (ND)
3. Madison Booker (Texas)
4. Malaysia Fulwiley (SC)
5. Taliah Scott (Arkansas)
6. Zoe Brooks (NC ST)
7. Ashlynn Shade (UCONN)
8. Addy Brown (Iowa St)
9. KK Arnold (UCONN)
10. Mikaylah Williams (LSU)
11. Stailee Heard (Ok St)
12. Oluchi Okananwa (Duke)
13. S'Mya Nichols (Kansas)
14. Audi Cooks (Iowa St)
15. Kailey Woolston (BYU)
After looking at ESPNs rankings of the week (frosh, player, team, etc), I went back to the recruiting rankings to see how this current list compared to final HS rankings, and yes, there were changes to the list. The right hand side shows the remaining HS ranked up to 20, that were not in the latest ESPN list. Toomey is in italics as she's out for the season.

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Interesting that ESPN's December rank had the following, although these players were not originally in the top 100 recruiting list.
8. Stailee Heard, Oklahoma State
12. Kailey Woolston, BYU
14. Natalie Potts, Nebraska
 
Thought I'd bump this thread on best freshman. Most talk has moved to the overall Freshman of the Year but who will be FOY in YOUR CONFERENCE ?

Being a Big 12 alumni I'll throw in the two top contenders for the Big 12. Both Madison Brooker for Texas and Audi Crooks for Iowa State have both stepped it up in conference play and are #2 and #3 in scoring. Crooks is #2 in rebounding. Brooker is #1 in assists. Pretty much a forgone conclusion Brooker will win it but Crooks is putting up great numbers and ISU is probably 2-4 and not 6-2 without her.

Here's the conference game only stats for top freshman and contenders for All-Big 12 Freshman Team. Only five slots so someone is going to get cheated (probably Woolson) unless there's a tie and six player slike last year.
  • Madison Brooker, Texas: 20.6 pts 6.8 reb 5.6 ast (only bad is 4.9 TO)
  • Audi Crooks, Iowa State: 19.3 pts 9.4 reb - just short of a double-double avg
  • Smya K Nichols, Kansas: 14.2 pts 2.8 ast
  • Stailee Heard, Oklahoma State - 13.1 pts 6.1 reb
  • Addy Brown, Iowa State 12.3 pts 8.5 reb 4.4 ast (only non-guard in league leaders for assists)
  • Kailey Woolston, BYU: 12.6 pts
 
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