Randall E Does Not Like What's Happening To CFB

[Bonehead]

You're completely missing the point. The whole argument is that it's not possible to get gassed players out of the game unless the offense is making substitutions as well.

Nope - see your point. there is a way to get gassed players out of the game.

I am a defensive guy and I am gassed all I need to do is take a knee - which an official will see as possible injury. Official will stop game and allow the 'kneed' player off field for sub.

"The Football Rules Committee took note that the current rules of football allow for game stoppage at any time for injuries. The committee discussed and instructed the national coordinator of officials to enhance existing directives for game officials and coaches to look for and recognize when players may be injured."

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Nope - see your point. there is a way to get gassed players out of the game.

I am a defensive guy and I am gassed all I need to do is take a knee - which an official will see as possible injury. Official will stop game and allow the 'kneed' player off field for sub.

"The Football Rules Committee took note that the current rules of football allow for game stoppage at any time for injuries. The committee discussed and instructed the national coordinator of officials to enhance existing directives for game officials and coaches to look for and recognize when players may be injured."

So you want to turn this into soccer and have guys flopping all over the field faking injuries?

 

[noeynox]

The safety issue isn't due to the number of plays themselves. It's due to not being able to substitute defensively. Guys are running around gassed and when that happens, you are vulnerable to getting hurt. I don't know how anyone can even argue that.

Now, what is fair, is to question the motives of guys like Saban, Bielema, Edsall, Diaco, etc. Are they TRULY concerned about player safety or do they just have trouble defending it? The safety issue, while it may provide adequate cover for them, is a legit issue.

If that's big an issue a gassed player can stay down as if he has a charlie horse. These dudes just want legislation or rules put in that benefit them, and that's what I take issue with.

 

[Bonehead]

So you want to turn this into soccer and have guys flopping all over the field faking injuries?

No - those were your words - I never said to fake an injury.

You stated there is no way to get gassed players out of the game and gassed players is a concern as it makes them vulnerable to injury.

'The safety issue isn't due to the number of plays themselves. It's due to not being able to substitute defensively. Guys are running around gassed and when that happens, you are vulnerable to getting hurt. I don't know how anyone can even argue that.'

If they are that gassed and vulnerable taking the knee is acceptable practice to get yourself out of the game - unless injury really isnt the concern.

I dont call it flopping - I call it I am really gasses and I am vulnerable to injury I need out of the game...
That is why I am torn - if you cant keep up to the pace on D but the offense can that is a liability of the defense and the offenses job is to exploit the liability - whether you are gassed, fat and slow, or whatever limits you to make the play.

 

[Johnbuoy]

 

[CTBasketball]

I wish we ran the spread. But seriously, most teams cannot stop it if you have 5 Deshonn Foxx's at WR and you run end arounds and screens. Not many defensive backs are faster than a Foxx-like player.

 

[ZooCougar]

If that's big an issue a gassed player can stay down as if he has a charlie horse. These dudes just want legislation or rules put in that benefit them, and that's what I take issue with.

Rutgers beat us in 2009 flopping. Their defense was gassed and we were driving. Probably the most shamelessly cynical Schiano tactic of all time.

 

[noeynox]

I think the size speed ratio of Alabama's defensive line can potentially cause injuries to QBs and running backs. Maybe we should pass a rule that they are not allowed to field so many freak athletes on their defensive line. I think its a silly argument that tempo leads to injuries. If the defenders are that gassed, they will be scored upon quicker, and thus they will be off the field. Saban made huge headlines with this, this past off season. I am sure he has played a ton of fast paced spread teams whose sheet his teams pushed in, yet you really only heard the complaining when Auburn beat them, at least I don't remember him beaching publicly prior. I mean if Florida Atlantic is running a in theory fast paced spread, but Bama keeps having them go three and out, isn't that gassing FAU's defense more?

Without a doubt, these high scoring spread offenses, have brought excitement back into CFB. It gave the likes of Boise the ability to upset Oklahoma in a BCS game. It makes the "big boys" vulnerable to upsets or at least it did prior to the creation of the power 5, who no longer want to be in a position to be upset. It allowed Oregon from going from laughinstock program to one of the very best in country. It allowed a team formerly of the "no defense in the big 12", to go into the SEC and score on everyone including Alabama in Texas A&M.

My honest opinion, they don't give a sheet about injuries. It is football, they send players out there to smash one another, but the tempo of plays needs to be controlled with rules? I'm not buying it, Saban just wants the deck stacked in his favor. As for Edsall, he always had trouble with WVU. Beat them once at UConn with Stewart as their coach, and drilled them last year when WVU had one of their worst teams. That style of play always gave his defenses trouble though he did handle RG3 twice.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Probably the most shamelessly cynical Schiano tactic of all time.

Not even close. Diving at the knees in the Victory Formation in 2011. He subsequently did it against the Giants and Coughlin rightfully laid into him.

 

[noeynox]

Rutgers beat us in 2009 flopping. Their defense was gassed and we were driving. Probably the most shamelessly cynical Schiano tactic of all time.

eh, you play to win the game. That could easily be legislated as well, if there are more than two of those instances on a drive and its obvious with players coming back in the game, penalize them and take a timeout from them. I don't want to see that, but I don't want rules against Tempo either. Putting the defense at a disadavantage is sort of the point, the injury angle is a red herring IMO.

 

[ZooCougar]

Not even close. Diving at the knees in the Victory Formation in 2011. He subsequently did it against the Giants and Coughlin rightfully laid into him.

That wasn't cynical. But merely shameless.

 

[ZooCougar]

eh, you play to win the game. That could easily be legislated as well, if there are more than two of those instances on a drive and its obvious with players coming back in the game, penalize them and take a timeout from them. I don't want to see that, but I don't want rules against Tempo either. Putting the defense at a disadavantage is sort of the point, the injury angle is a red herring IMO.

I think this happens much more often than people realize. But in that game someone was getting injured every 2 plays or so. It was pretty blatant.

 

[ZooCougar]

Randy is in year 4 of a 6 year contract. Not a whiff of an extension, it's at the point now where it would make sense to buy him out.

I could see him getting immediately hired as soon as there is a vacancy in the MAC. That's probably where he would be best in truth.

I saw a stat that he is 1-10 against P5 OOC at Maryland. I am assuming they are counting WVU from last year and not UConn.

 

[UConnDan97]

The thing that I'm having a hard time understanding is why having gassed defensive players leads to a less safe environment, versus when they are throwing themselves at RB's / QB's with a full head of steam. So are we just worried about the safety of defensive players now?

I'm guessing that the offensive players get an improvement in safety levels when the defense is tired...

 

[Husky25]

Fans love points. Most fans have money (either to go to games or to pay their cable bill). The NCAA loves money.

Offenses will not slowed down via legislation.