Quote from Jay Bilas explaining UConn's APR ban.

[UconnAlum04]

"It's like moving free throw line AFTER game, then declaring all free throw attempts DURING game were violations" - Jay Bilas

http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2014/04/08/uconns-apr-warning-was-different-than-most.htm

 

[partial]

This is what many on this forum including me were clamoring about when the rule change was first announced and why punishing UConn was specifically unfair. Unfortunately the truth will never be laid bare many years from now the average college sports fan will still say "Oh UConn yea i remember they were banned cause they couldn't graduate players right?". In short the NCAA they got their pound of flesh but it's pretty sweet being able to call them out by winning the championship.

 

[upstater]

"It's like moving free throw line AFTER game, then declaring all free throw attempts DURING game were violations" - Jay Bilas

http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2014/04/08/uconns-apr-warning-was-different-than-most.htm

It's like scoring a basket in overtime, only to be told several minutes later that because of a referee's error, you were shooting at the wrong basket, and not only will your points be removed from the scoreboard, but the opponent will get the ball.

Oh wait....

 

[tcf15]

It's like scoring a basket in overtime, only to be told several minutes in that because of a referee's error, you were shooting at the wrong basket, and not only will your points be removed from the scoreboard, but the opponent will get the ball.

Oh wait....

Good ole Mike Stuart.

 

[7774]

It's like scoring a basket in overtime, only to be told several minutes in that because of a referee's error, you were shooting at the wrong basket, and not only will your points be removed from the scoreboard, but the opponent will get the ball.

Oh wait....

LOL. I had the misfortune to be at that game. Was also at the Marquette game where Novak dropped 40 some. Needless to say I don't go to important games.

 

[selles]

"It's like moving free throw line AFTER game, then declaring all free throw attempts DURING game were violations" - Jay Bilas

http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2014/04/08/uconns-apr-warning-was-different-than-most.htm

That's excellent. Bilas has always gone off about the APR being dumb and useless, but that doesn't help us against the "well all the other big programs found a way to meet the standard" crowd. With this quote, he's gotten his head into the ex post facto/due process unfairness of our specific situation. Given that he's one of the most vocal and articulate NCAA critics around, that's very good.

 

[hexlub]

I've been explaining it as having passed a test, having the standards change after the fact and then being told that you didn't pass.

 

[Husky68]

"It's like moving free throw line AFTER game, then declaring all free throw attempts DURING game were violations" - Jay Bilas

http://www.athleticscholarships.net/2014/04/08/uconns-apr-warning-was-different-than-most.htm

More like "After speeding ticket you go to court and find out the penalty isn't $200 any more but your left nut."

 

[Strummer]

Love Jay Bilas, but that was very difficult to read and understand. Virtually nobody reading that is going to understand what happened.

Here's the analogy I'd use - simple and very analogous: At the beginning of the year, School says that any student having a GPA at the end of his or her freshman year below 2.0 is suspended from school for 1 semester. At beginning of year 2, School says that any Sophomore having a GPA from the previous freshman year below 2.2 is suspended, because the School is toughening up standards. Guy with 2.1 GPA gets suspended.

It's really that simple. Nobody could look at the above analogy and think that such a result is fair. It's a question of notice. UConn was not given proper notice, and a rule changed used prior data, which could not be changed, to move UConn into a ban situation.

In law that's called an ex-post facto law. It's passing a law that criminalizes acts that done legally prior to the passing of the law. For example, passing a law that says anybody who criticized the Congress in the last 12 months commits a misdemeanor. It's so painfully wrong that ex post facto laws are prohibited right in our Constitution.

UConn got screwed. But we're at the top of the mountain now, and nobody wants to hear it.

And I'm okay with that. Better to be looked over than overlooked (M. West).

 

[Husky1972]

Don't need hypothetical examples, we already have a Supreme Court 2 cases right here in Connecticut because of changing exam standards:

"Reverse discrimination lawsuits filed against the city of Bridgeport, Connecticut, by twelve white and Hispanic firefighters alleging reverse discrimination were settled on December 1, 2009. The law suit filed in federal court in April alleged that the city had illegally denied promotions to the white and Hispanic firefighters by rescoring a 2006 lieutenant promotional exam.

Oddly enough, the rescoring took place in July, 2008 and resulted in three lieutenants being demoted based upon the rescoring. The city changed the original promotional grading formula from 50 percent written, 45 percent oral and 5 percent seniority to 75 percent oral and 25 percent written to help the minority candidates."

http://www.firelawblog.com/2009/12/04/reverse-discrimination-lawsuit-against-bridgeport-settled/


Sotomayor reversed in Supreme Court firefighters case Ricci v. DeStefano.
By Lynn Sweet on June 29, 2009 10:13 AM | 2 Comments
WASHINGTON--The Supreme Court reversed Sonia Sotomayor, President Obama's Supreme Court nominee on Monday, in the New Haven firefighters case.

Sotomayor, who sits on the Second Circuit Court of Appeals, ruled that white firefighters in New Haven had not been denied promotions in a case where the city had thrown out the results of a test where white firefighters did better than minorities.

The Supreme Court, in a 5-4 decision ruled that New Haven should not have discarded the results of the test.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/06/ricci_v_destefano_and_supreme.html

However, these situations were rectified:

"The Bridgeport settlement requires the city to reinstate the three demoted firefighters to the rank they held in 2007, and firefighters who passed the exam as per the original scoring will be promoted granting them back pay and seniority retroactive to August 2008. The legal fees of $75,000 will also be paid by the city."

"(CNN) -- After seven years of wrangling in a case that altered workplace discrimination law, 20 firefighters will receive a $2 million payout from the city of New Haven, Connecticut.
The compensation dates back to a 2009 Supreme Court decision that found the city discriminated against white firefighters when it threw out the results of promotion exams in 2004."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/29/connecticut.firefighters.lawsuit/

Maybe someday, someone will take the NCAA to a higher level of appeal.

 

[BUHusky]

Good ole Mike Stuart.

Mike Stuart sucks, no doubt, and was working that game, but the OT debacle at Marquette was actually the doing of Karl Hess. He was the lead ref.

 

[PacificStorm]

The NCAA banned UConn illegally from 2012 so Kentucky could win the title in that year after the loss to Uconn in the 2011 semifinal. 2013 went to a deserving Louisville. All this makes 2014 so much sweeter.

 

[August_West]

The NCAA banned UConn illegally from 2012 so Kentucky could win the title in that year after the loss to Uconn in the 2011 semifinal. 2013 went to a deserving Louisville. All this makes 2014 so much sweeter.

Got your timeline a little askew there, fanner. We were banned in 2013. We were in the tourney in 2012.

In fact we would have met and beat Kentucky in the second round if JC took my advice and had the uconn front line defend Royce white by spreading their arms into wings and making airplane noises against Iowa ST. Missed opportunity.

 

[WeAreUCONN]

Both Bilas and J. Will, may be from Dook.
But i actually, Like them Both.

They do a great job, telling it like it is.

 

[J187Money]

I've been explaining it as having passed a test, having the standards change after the fact and then being told that you didn't pass.

Kinda like marriage.

 

[selles]

Kinda like marriage.

Much longer ban there, though.