Quit crying

[Waquoit]

His teams have lost 5 times in the NCAA ('84-'86, '08, and '12) and even lost in the first round of the NIT while he was with UConn ('93). If my math is right, Calhoun is officially 23-5 in the first round of non-conference post season Tournaments.

You are actually using 84-86 in your argument? You should have stopped when you said "What does Calhoun's record have to do with Ollie's." That would have been enough.

 

[Husky25]

You are actually using 84-86 in your argument? You should have stopped when you said "What does Calhoun's record have to do with Ollie's." That would have been enough.

I used Calhoun's entire coaching career. He does not become a coaching legend if not for the years he spent in Boston.

 

[sparky]

Roll the ball out and play the game. All the other stuff is fodder for talking non heads

 

[Deadrody]

I agree that our draw was not terrible...but SMU was ranked in that 24-28 range and aren't even in the tourney

They weren't. In a composite of 43 ratings, SMU is at #39.

 

[Deadrody]

UMass had a much better RPI than us. ESPN had us at 25. That's a seven.

Not sure what RPI you're looking at, but the one I see has UConn at #22 and UMess at #23

 

[Deadrody]

http://awesomegifs.com/wp-content/uploads/i-feel-like-im-taking-crazy-pills


it's just insane to think if Ollie, in his second year, after what he's done with the team he has, with being banned last year, and after replacing arguably the greatest college coach of all time, loses his first game in the tourney that Ollie "should be on the hot seat"

(ugh how do you post gifs directly!?)

 

[intlzncster]

You are actually using 84-86 in your argument? You should have stopped when you said "What does Calhoun's record have to do with Ollie's." That would have been enough.

Sure UCONN is not in the same position as when JC came in. At the same time, JC had 400 games of Head Coaching experience (and quality NCAA tournament experience to boot). So while definitely not apples to apples, but not entirely unfair either.

To Palatine's argument: what young coach in America is going to compare favorably to JC? It's a stupid comparison. The guy's a legend.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

You're lying to yourself if you don't think that KO losing his first game to a lower seed won't be a big deal especially with Calhoun record in the first round.

It's a 7/10 game that will probably go off with a sub-3 point spread. Relax. You sound dumb.

 

[Waquoit]

Sure UCONN is not in the same position as when JC came in. At the same time, JC had 400 games of Head Coaching experience (and quality NCAA tournament experience to boot). So while definitely not apples to apples, but not entirely unfair either.

My point concerned specifically his the using the years 84-86 as examples of JC losing in the first round. True, I guess (although he did win the play-in game in 84). But his teams were 13 and 14 seeds. How does that even apply here?

 

[Husky25]

My point concerned specifically his the using the years 84-86 as examples of JC losing in the first round. True, I guess (although he did win the play-in game in 84). But his teams were 13 and 14 seeds. How does that even apply here?

You can address your concerns about the validity of my post to me, thank you (BTW where am I materially incorrect?). I already explained my reason. I chose not to cherry pick stats at this point. That is it. Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things concerning Kevin Ollie?

No. It's an unworthy nitpick on your part. You can do so much better...

 

[Waquoit]

You can address your concerns about the validity of my post to me, thank you (BTW where am I materially incorrect?). I already explained my reason. I chose not to cherry pick stats at this point.

By citing only 84-86, you actually did cherry pick stats. You left out JC's 1st 2 NCAA appearances in 1981 and 1982 where he won twice as an 11th seed.

 

[2north]

You're lying to yourself if you don't think that KO losing his first game to a lower seed won't be a big deal especially with Calhoun record in the first round.

Calhoun is a HOF coach! How can you compare the two at this stage!?!

And with our new AP ranking, 18, how does that justify seeding now?

 

[HuskyHawk]

How did this morph into a referendum on Kevin Ollie? He's done an excellent job, and will keep getting better. He's been outcoached a few times, but so was Calhoun. His recruiting has been superb.

Look, I'm pissed about the seed, not because it makes any difference in our odds to win, but because between the conferences and the NCAA UConn has kicked in the nuts, stabbed in the side, tased, pepper sprayed and with the APR scam, they shot us. It's enough already! But UConn keeps getting up, and so this lower seed was just their way of throwing a chair at us to slow us down. If we have to get through this tournament as a freaking zombie university, that's what we're going to do. And again, and again and again...relentless.

 

[Husky25]

By citing only 84-86, you actually did cherry pick stats. You left out JC's 1st 2 NCAA appearances in 1981 and 1982 where he won twice as an 11th seed.

I didn't though. I included those wins in the 23-5 stat.

 

[intlzncster]

How did this morph into a referendum on Kevin Ollie? He's done an excellent job, and will keep getting better. He's been outcoached a few times, but so was Calhoun. His recruiting has been superb.
.

Palatine

 

[Palatine]

KO is 46-18 as a head coach. Thats a .719 winning percentage. There will be no hot seat for KO. We are very fortunate to have him long term.

The only thing that counts is March. He needs to have them ready. They need to play well.

Calhoun is a HOF coach! How can you compare the two at this stage!?!

And with our new AP ranking, 18, how does that justify seeding now?

Because JC kept winning his first game at the Northwestern. That compares to where Ollie is in his career now.

If you don't think Ollie should win on Thursday, just say so.

I think he should (and will) win.

 

[Kitaman]

Why are we arguing about to enter this Tourney after a one year absence. Pal thinks Ollie should be fired if we lose, so what the only ones paying attention to his statement are fellow yarders.

Can we get some mojo working please? St Joe's won't be a walk in the park, as we are not that great of a team. Call be nervous (not skeptical) but we need to get some mojo going coming off a lose, especially to the same team in a week.

 

[Husky25]

The only thing that counts is March. He needs to have them ready. They need to play well.

Because JC kept winning his first game at the Northwestern. That compares to where Ollie is in his career now.

If you don't think Ollie should win on Thursday, just say so.

I think he should (and will) win.

Calhoun went 2-5 in the Tournament while at Northeastern, losing in the first round on three separate occasions. A 10 seed "upsetting" a 7 is not uncommon. Granted that UConn is not a typical 7 seed, as they are 2 seeds too low based on record and ranking. I do think UConn will win on Thursday, but this year's team obviously has flaws. So I just don't believe it is a referendum on Ollie if UConn does not win.

 

[Waquoit]

Calhoun went 2-5 in the Tournament while at Northeastern, .

3-5 - Wins in 81, 82 and 84

 

[junglehusky]

If you don't think Ollie should win on Thursday, just say so.

Strawman much?

 

[Husky25]

Strawman much?

Yes, he does.

 

[Husky25]

3-5 - Wins in 81, 82 and 84

Not according to Sports-reference.com

 

[Palatine]

Why are we arguing about to enter this Tourney after a one year absence. Pal thinks Ollie should be fired if we lose, so what the only ones paying attention to his statement are fellow yarders.

Can we get some mojo working please? St Joe's won't be a walk in the park, as we are not that great of a team. Call be nervous (not skeptical) but we need to get some mojo going coming off a lose, especially to the same team in a week.

You are crazy if you think that is what I said.

 

[Waquoit]

Not according to Sports-reference.com

THE Sports-reference.com? But it doesn't say that, you inferred that. In 84, Northeastern won a play-in game. Unlike today, they didn't call it a 1st round game. Nevertheless, it is a legit, NCAA tournament game that goes in Calhoun's win column.

 

[Husky25]

So add a win. I don't care...

What are you arguing with? Do you agree with the point or not? The "error" is not material. Do you also get pissed at the Washington Monument tour guide who leaves off the 5 1/8 inch from it's height?

That is the last thing I am saying on this subject.