Precisely What Is a "Make-Up" Call?

[prankster]

I was taught, many years ago, that in order to have a rational discussion, the first thing that needs to happen is the "definition of terms".

Without that, people will simply talk past each other, as the discussion will otherwise not be about apples to apples.

Discussions about officials and bias in games often touches on the concept of "makeup calls".

Definitions of that concept are welcome, as this will begin to (in my mind) solidify the discussion, and lead to understanding, if not consensus.

 

[Hurleyman216]

I give this thread about another 3-4 posts before it gets locked by Tom. Fans aren’t allowed to discuss officiating on this board, only our coach can complain about the reffing.

 

[Hunt for 7]

I know many of us are not ESPN fans but I saw that Stephen A take is Danny keep on being you. You earned it and he actually said do you think a ref would ever turn their back on the former Dook coach who was at times not very nice to the refs.

As much as I am not a big fan of his he (Stephen A) was spot on with this take.More importantly he has a huge fan base so people like him speaking up is good to see.

 

[husky429]

When a ref makes a bad call or 50/50 call on one end, they'll be sure to give the next 50/50 call to the team that was affected.

 

[QDOG5]

I’m not a big fan of the make up call. My wife likes it even less.

 

[ctbro1999]

This is more a NBA phenomenon, but I hate it when a player clearly gets fouled, but the refs wait to blow the whistle to see if the player makes the shot or not. Often times, if he makes the shot, the ref swallows the whistle, but if he misses, they call a foul. I mean WTF is that, either it's a foul or not! It shouldn't be dependent on whether the player makes the shot or not!

 

[TheHorde]

I give this thread about another 3-4 posts before it gets locked by Tom. Fans aren’t allowed to discuss officiating on this board, only our coach can complain about the reffing.

No first Tom has to start a thread berating us for complaining about it, and then lock it up before we can comment hahaha.

 

[auror]

When a ref makes a bad call or 50/50 call on one end, they'll be sure to give the next 50/50 call to the team that was affected.

The other corollary is that if they make a call they don't usually make (like 3 seconds or 5 seconds or illegal screen), they will then make the same call for other team at the next opportunity.

 

[cullaville]

I was taught, many years ago, that in order to have a rational discussion, the first thing that needs to happen is the "definition of terms".

Without that, people will simply talk past each other, as the discussion will otherwise not be about apples to apples.

Discussions about officials and bias in games often touches on the concept of "makeup calls".

Definitions of that concept are welcome, as this will begin to (in my mind) solidify the discussion, and lead to understanding, if not consensus.

It is when you call you wife or girlrfiend to apologize for doing somethin stupid.

 

[husky429]

It is when you call you wife or girlrfiend to apologize for doing somethin stupid.

I see you've been reading fantasy fiction again.

 

[boog204]

I know many of us are not ESPN fans but I saw that Stephen A take is Danny keep on being you. You earned it and he actually said do you think a ref would ever turn their back on the former Dook coach who was at times not very nice to the refs.

Umm, I'd think officials turned their backs and walked away from JC or K or insert famed coach here all the time?
I'd think reffing 101 is let the coach say their peace, you listen, decide to T them or engage, and then turn and walk away. Watch the clip, DH starts yelling, the ref puts his hand up, and then walks away. The ref didn't ignore DH or just turn on him without acknowledgement.

Here's one with Coach K yelling at ref, who turns to walk away, and then hits him with a T -

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

Umm, I'd think officials turned their backs and walked away from JC or K or insert famed coach here all the time?
I'd think reffing 101 is let the coach say their peace, you listen, decide to T them or engage, and then turn and walk away. Watch the clip, DH starts yelling, the ref puts his hand up, and then walks away. The ref didn't ignore DH or just turn on him without acknowledgement.

Here's one with Coach K yelling at ref, who turns to walk away, and then hits him with a T -

Crazy thing is, for as much media coverage of Hurley and his rants, he almost never gets T’d up for it. You’d think he gets T’d up way more than he does.

 

[gtcam]

Hi Honey, is this you? I'm sorry I was drunk and stupid - I'll never do it again

 

[UCONNFAN179]

I know many of us are not ESPN fans but I saw that Stephen A take is Danny keep on being you. You earned it and he actually said do you think a ref would ever turn their back on the former Dook coach who was at times not very nice to the refs.

As much as I am not a big fan of his he (Stephen A) was spot on with this take.More importantly he has a huge fan base so people like him speaking up is good to see.

If the ref engaged with Danny and it somehow led to a 'T', people would be complaining that the ref should just turn away. Danny may have a point about players being held and about refs not listening, etc., but like the boy who cried wolf, he complains so vigorously and demonstrably and so often that I can't really blame the refs for sometimes just turning away.

 

[Hunt for 7]

Umm, I'd think officials turned their backs and walked away from JC or K or insert famed coach here all the time?
I'd think reffing 101 is let the coach say their peace, you listen, decide to T them or engage, and then turn and walk away. Watch the clip, DH starts yelling, the ref puts his hand up, and then walks away. The ref didn't ignore DH or just turn on him without acknowledgement.

Here's one with Coach K yelling at ref, who turns to walk away, and then hits him with a T -

Right and I am certain while playing at home regularly Dook had twice as many fouls called against them as their opponents had called on them. Find those stats. And in the video you showed K said a lot to the ref before he turned away. Hurley got a few words out and the was dissed. If you are going to disagree find better examples. Ummm

 

[Tenspro2002]

This is more a NBA phenomenon, but I hate it when a player clearly gets fouled, but the refs wait to blow the whistle to see if the player makes the shot or not. Often times, if he makes the shot, the ref swallows the whistle, but if he misses, they call a foul. I mean WTF is that, either it's a foul or not! It shouldn't be dependent on whether the player makes the shot or not!

I also dislike this, but I think it's more like the ref isn't sure if it was a foul, and is using whether the ball goes in as evidence for whether or not a foul occurred. Like, if it went in, well, maybe he wasn't affected by contact. It's dumb reasoning, but I sort of get it.

 

[RedStickHusky]

It's an officiating tradition that requires the celebration of a mistake with another mistake.

 

[boog204]

Right and I am certain while playing at home regularly Dook had twice as many fouls called against them as their opponents had called on them. Find those stats. And in the video you showed K said a lot to the ref before he turned away. Hurley got a few words out and the was dissed. If you are going to disagree find better examples. Ummm

Just find the notion that Coach K or any other coach would have the total undivided attention of the official to be asinine. Kinda hard to find an example but that popped up almost right away. Context matters here, too. If I'm an official and I've been ridden the whole game I'm going to be a little more short with my dialogue. We do not know what preceded this. Ref let DH say a few words, put his hand up to say enough or I hear you or whatever, and then walked away. I think using the idea that he was "dissed" to be totally idiotic, imo. What's the ref supposed to do there? He could've T'd him up and our fanbase would say that the ref is reactionary.

On the foul notion, we foul all the time on defense. DH acknowledges it. We don't drive to the hoop much or post up much so we do not get many calls there. If we're going to just endlessly argue freedom of movement, and it's not called on us either, then what's the argument? We clutch and grab on screens/cutters, too. It's not being called either way. If they did call it both ways then we'd still be ahead on the foul discrepancy because we do not initiate contact or foul situations on the offensive end. We seek either a layup or a 3. That's what we do. There's no Tristen, Cam, or Steph taking people off the dribble and being crafty enough to draw a foul. We've got AK dribbling through traffic to get stripped or do a floater, Hassan picking up his dribble in the paint or flailing wildly, and Solo, maybe once a game, having a drive to the hoop. Without Liam, we do not draw many fouls.

 

[RuffRuff]

Sometime when my wife and I argue about meaningless stuff, we make it all better with different types of make up activities. This is basketball refereeing version of that.

 

[Hey Adrien!]

Last game I coached, my center got manhandled after securing an offensive rebound, but no foul called.

I let the ref know this without showing him up, and for the remainder of the game 50/50 calls were going my way.

That's the definition of a make up call.

...it also didn't hurt we were down 21-39...

 

[Hunt for 7]

Just find the notion that Coach K or any other coach would have the total undivided attention of the official to be asinine. Kinda hard to find an example but that popped up almost right away. Context matters here, too. If I'm an official and I've been ridden the whole game I'm going to be a little more short with my dialogue. We do not know what preceded this. Ref let DH say a few words, put his hand up to say enough or I hear you or whatever, and then walked away. I think using the idea that he was "dissed" to be totally idiotic, imo. What's the ref supposed to do there? He could've T'd him up and our fanbase would say that the ref is reactionary.

On the foul notion, we foul all the time on defense. DH acknowledges it. We don't drive to the hoop much or post up much so we do not get many calls there. If we're going to just endlessly argue freedom of movement, and it's not called on us either, then what's the argument? We clutch and grab on screens/cutters, too. It's not being called either way. If they did call it both ways then we'd still be ahead on the foul discrepancy because we do not initiate contact or foul situations on the offensive end. We seek either a layup or a 3. That's what we do. There's no Tristen, Cam, or Steph taking people off the dribble and being crafty enough to draw a foul. We've got AK dribbling through traffic to get stripped or do a floater, Hassan picking up his dribble in the paint or flailing wildly, and Solo, maybe once a game, having a drive to the hoop. Without Liam, we do not draw many fouls.

Well Danny certainly felt dissed by his reaction. So I am just going on what he said and then some of his comments. I think I am closer to our coach’s take than you are making it out to be. Danny’s comment is completely in line with what a person being dissed would say. So really idiotic my goodness why would Danny even say that if that was not how he took it, wow disagree just to disagree look at the video man.

 

[boog204]

Well Danny certainly felt dissed by his reaction. So I am just going on what he said and then some of his comments. I think I am closer to our coach’s take than you are making it out to be. Danny’s comment is completely in line with what a person being dissed would say. So really idiotic my goodness why would Danny even say that if that was not how he took it, wow disagree just to disagree look at the video man.

He absolutely felt "dissed" and I think, honestly, that his reaction to it is absolutely ridiculous, entitled, and toddler-esque. I cannot think of one other coach who would respond with the words that he did and frankly, that is an enormous part of the problem.

I've watched the video numerous times at this point. I see DH freaking out, an official putting his hand up, and then walking away. For the life of me I cannot think of what the official did wrong in that instance. If the official just totally ignored him then there might be something. But the hand indicates to me that the official was done with whatever the exchange was and walked away. And DH responds by telling him that he's the best? Super lame in my view. But whatever, big scheme it does not matter in the least. Originally point was idiot Stephen A. trying to assert that other coaches wouldn't have officials treating them like that. And I absolutely do not believe that is the case.

I do give DH lots of credit for essentially owning up to his actions and also agree that he is singled out and he astutely recognized that he's created that for himself.