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Pre-Season AP Top 25

I remember when Ivey squandered a late 10-point lead in a Sweet 16 game against NC State in 2022. Ivey has yet to prove herself on the big stage. Close at least has made a handful of Elite 8's.


Niele Ivey (ACC) (2020–present)​
2020–21Niele Ivey10–108–76th
2021–22Niele Ivey24–1013–5T-3rdNCAA Sweet Sixteen
2022–23Niele Ivey27–615–31stNCAA Sweet Sixteen
2023–24Niele Ivey28–713–5T-2ndNCAA Sweet Sixtee

I can only find one elite 8 that Close was the head coach in 2017-8. Am I missing some?

I'm not going to argue relative coaching skills but I will point out that every ND NCAA run Ivey had was ended by an injury.

 
I think voters nailed the top 10, though South Carolina deserves to be unanimous #1.

Iowa should be top 25, even without Clark. They still have Stuehlke, Affolter, and Olsen.
Nobody "deserves" to be unanimous #1 in an opinion poll. I agree about Iowa as a top 25.

I cannot say that the two pollsters who voted for UConn are wrong. Yes, we worked UConn over last year, butt his is a prediction vote for this year - not last year. Much will have changed by the time we meet and the February winner may well not be the eventual champ. And, the eventual champ might not be the "best" team. (See backdooor champs SCar in 2017 and LSU in 2023)

The U$C vote may be from a West Coast pollster who has cast votes in opposition to us several times in the last couple of years Though she has reverse herself in the final voting. No problem with her opinion. Someday, she will be right.

It's opinion that is arguable. Have fun with it.

If I was assured of UConn's health, I might even vote for them as No. 1 in my mind - but not my heart. SCar's low post is a legitimate question mark. Can Dawn win through with almost-positionless basketball?

We could lose to many other teams on our schedule of: UCLA, NC State, Iowa State, Texas twice, LSU, Oklahoma and some lesser pre-season ranked SEC teams. Heck, Mizzou almost always is a straight razor, back alley brawl.
 
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What do you base that on? UCLA probably has the deepest frontcourt in the country. Seems like ND won't be 100% healthy to start the season.

The question is not about talent but about coaching. Of course, neither has shown the abilty to get to the Elite 8 level.
 
I might swap NC St for UCLA just based on last season.
Based on this season UCLA is deeper adding Barker and the the OSU transfer will catapult them , but with Coach close who knows. Wes is clearly the better coach .
 
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Almost half of the Top 25 will get a shot at knocking off Number one before the tournament:

TeamPts.
1. South Carolina (27)745
2. UConn (2)708
3. Southern Cal (1)697
4. Texas two shots641
5. UCLA628
6. Notre Dame614
7. LSU549
8. Iowa State521
9. NC State510
10. Oklahoma441
11. Duke439
20. Ole Miss165
21. Creighton152
22. Kentucky108
23. Nebraska106
24. Alabama67
25. Indiana46
 
A “well-oiled machine”? This is precisely the thing people are worried about, not something to take for granted. Personally, I think Dawn will figure it out. She is as good as Geno when it comes to building team culture. But this is not the “freshies.” There is likely to be more turbulence in the rotation than SC has had in a while.
These girls came in knowing what their roles would be. They could have transferred out....yet none did. That should tell you all you need to know about commitment to the process rather than a commitment to self. You don't think they have bought in after a whole year? Get real. There won't be any turbulence this year. They all know how it works.....9 of the 9 came back....geez....
 
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Close took UCLA to the Elite 8 in 2018. But, more often than not, they have bowed out in the Sweet 16.
So now you agree Close has reached elite 8 once and not a handful of elite 8s as you said earlier?

As I said I'm not going to argue subjective coaching skills but I will expect that data is correct.
 
Only had two real reactions to the pre-season poll.

One, Texas over UCLA as #4. Come on, man, Harmon is back so of course I'd pick Texas at #4.

Two, my Cyclones in the Top 10. Big deal for us "non-elites". And puts ISU football, MBB and WBB all in the Top 10. Rare air for Cyclones in an era where many predicted we would end up in a league of mid-majors.
 
So now you agree Close has reached elite 8 once and not a handful of elite 8s as you said earlier?

As I said I'm not going to argue subjective coaching skills but I will expect that data is correct.

My first post was my "guess". When I looked it up, it was factually just once. Either way, it's more than Ivey.
 

Interesting but flawed article. The section on the Gamecocks names Duke, in December, as our biggest early obstacle. We play UCLA and NC State the first two weeks of the season.

Bring it @triaddukefan .

;)
It appears that Charlie wanted to pick a different game for each school. SCar is listed as the key early-season matchup for several schools including NCState. That's how Notre Dame's key game is Texas, but the Longhorns' key game is South Dakota State.
 
I will say that I don't think Cori Close has had this type of top level talent. I get the criticism but she's never had a Paige Bueckers or Maya Moore type. Kiki Rice was really the highest and she already beat UConn.
 
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Interesting but flawed article. The section on the Gamecocks names Duke, in December, as our biggest early obstacle. We play UCLA and NC State the first two weeks of the season.

Bring it @triaddukefan .

;)

Yeah that was a curious call.

Duke will be a tougher game for yall than playing State in Charlotte.
 
I will say that I don't think Cori Close has had this type of top level talent. I get the criticism but she's never had a Paige Bueckers or Maya Moore type. Kiki Rice was really the highest and she already beat UConn.
Doesn't change the fact that this year, she had a stacked roster. 3 elites (#1 and #2 from 2023, along with Osborne who was drafted) in the lineup. And she blew it entirely vs LSU.
 
Doesn't change the fact that this year, she had a stacked roster. 3 elites (#1 and #2 from 2023, along with Osborne who was drafted) in the lineup. And she blew it entirely vs LSU.
Yeah I hear you, but in context LSU was the defending champions. I don't really think ucla was more talented than LSU. They were about even, and it was a highly competitive game. That regional was viewed at as insane on selection Sunday for good reason. Someone had to lose.
 
Well, I‘m not so sure about whether they should be ranked right now, but I do believe they will be ranked at some point this season. (Assuming of course, that the new coach, the longtime key assistant to Lisa Bluder doesn’t let the side down) If Lucy Olson can develop a good chemistry with Hannah Stuelke and the rest of the team, they should certainly be OK on the offensive side. I’m not sure who all is in their rookie class but one player in particular imo, (Ava Heiden) is going to be a star. Perhaps not right away, but I do think she will be a force in the post for them. Stuelke and Olson will be a force to be reckoned with, so if the rest of the team can help on the offensive side, they will be fine. The defensive side is where my concern would be. If they can just be decent defensively, they will be fine.
My guess for Iowa is they will just run the Clark offense with Olsen. Olsen is not CC, but they will be good.

Stuelke is like a poor man's Napheesa Collier, she is an excellent forward at all levels and defense.

They will surprise and be competitive in new Big10.

Tough year to make Elite 8, but they will be ranked come tourney time.
 
My guess for Iowa is they will just run the Clark offense with Olsen. Olsen is not CC, but they will be good.
She’s not the perimeter shooter Clark was. But Olsen is comparable as a creator in the midrange and at the rim. We’ll have to see if she can pass comparably well.
 
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Olsen is not the passer Clark is. But tbf. Who was she supposed to pass to last season?

Maybe she can surprise us with her passing now that she has some actual weapons on her team?
 
She can't. That's not a knock on Olsen, but Clark is an elite passer. We've seen 3 years of Olsen in college and she's just not anywhere close in that regard.
But, can she pass more efficiently when accounting for turnovers?
 
Olsen is not the passer Clark is. But tbf. Who was she supposed to pass to last season?

Maybe she can surprise us with her passing now that she has some actual weapons on her team?
Her first two seasons she had Siegrist to pass to, a pretty good option.
 
But, can she pass more efficiently when accounting for turnovers?
Olsen has a better ATO ratio than Clark, but when you look at Clark's 1144 career assists compared to 386 thru 3 seasons for Olsen, it's just apples and oranges.
 
My guess for Iowa is they will just run the Clark offense with Olsen. Olsen is not CC, but they will be good.

Stuelke is like a poor man's Napheesa Collier, she is an excellent forward at all levels and defense.

They will surprise and be competitive in new Big10.

Tough year to make Elite 8, but they will be ranked come tourney time.
Ooooo no...I have to disagree, sorry. She's not that talented. She's basically a rim runner and a lay-up maker. Up to this point in her career, she has no game outside of the paint.

Also, her defense is...not Phee-like.

That said, I still think that Iowa will be better than advertised because of Olsen and Affolter.
 
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