Possible Grad Transfers Next Year?

[CocoHusky]

Dozens
Shepperd got special treament solely b/c it was ND. There is no denying it, did not meet the criteria and the articles of her public quotes are easily found.

I'm sure there are those theories exists somewhere on the dark web. Jessica has never been quoted as saying anything other than her reason for applying for the waiver are personal and will remain so. ND applied for the waiver and they got it-good for them.

 

[Charliebball]

I would think the last coach the powers that be in the NCAA want to tick off is Geno.................he has more access to the national press then any other coach in WBB and I don't think the NCAA is looking for any more bad press these days...........

 

[Argonaut]

Having reread this I'm not sure we are on the same page or getting closer.

No school (TN in this case) has the power to stop a student athlete from transferring. To transfer all a student has to do is put their name in the transfer portal and they become free to contact other schools and other schools are free to contact them until a match is made.

Graduate Transfer-those that have completed BS degree requirements are free to contact other schools once they have diploma in hand or can contact prior to receiving a diploma with the permission from the current school. Eg. Natalie Butler

Immediate eligibility is a separate matter over which the departing school has "input" and ultimately decided by the NCAA. If the departing school support the application for immediate eligibility it increase the chances of the waiver being approve. Eg., difference between Jessica Shepard and T'ea Cooper

Release from a signed NLI is yet another separate matter because the student has not enrolled in school yet therefore is not a transfer. Release from a signed NLI is required prior to contacting any other school and the NLI is enforceable for 1 year after signing. Eg., EDD back in the day and Kate Cain (Delaware) from a years ago.

I understand all of that and am not quite sure where it may have seemed like I didn’t. My frustration is with the process of the one-time transfer exception (using the terminology from the NCAA document). For that option, it’s 100% based on whims.

If you graduate, go wherever you want. Congratulations.

If you want to transfer because you’re just over that program, you’re free to do that, too, but everyone should sit a year or every should play immediately. It shouldn’t be about finding a warm and fuzzy excuse to pull at the heartstrings of officials.

If your coach gets canned, unless that’s the only reason you chose that university, I think it’s a cop out to leave your teammates, but sometimes I get it. But, again, too gray. Either say that a program getting a new coach will or won’t allow players to transfer without sitting.

Make concrete rules and stick to them or throw the rules out.

 

[Sven23]

I'm sure there are those theories exists somewhere on the dark web. Jessica has never been quoted as saying anything other than her reason for applying for the waiver are personal and will remain so. ND applied for the waiver and they got it-good for them.

Look up her reason, she stated them a bunch of times in interviews and they are all the same...no issues with Nerbraska just she wanted to go somewhere to win & develop for WNBA. Not criteria at all for immediate eligibility.

“I had no issue with Nebraska,” Shepard said. “Ultimately it came down to what I wanted to accomplish in college and the next level. Nebraska just wasn’t the place to get me there.”

Said Shepard: “Coach Williams and the whole staff have been very supportive of me, and I thank them for giving me some time after the season to make my decision. I also want to thank the University of Nebraska and all of my teammates for the support they have given me the past two years, but I feel like I have to do what I think is best for me and my future at this time.”

“I want to play for championships. And I want to get pushed every day in practice to get the development I need to get to the next level (WNBA).”

"I really enjoyed my time there, but they were going in a different direction by rebuilding and I wanted a bigger challenge," Shepard said over the summer when she was at the Under-23 USA Basketball camp. "I wanted a chance to compete for championships and thought I had that at Notre Dame."

“I wanted to go to a place where I can develop into the player I want to be and compete for championships,” Shepard said

“I think the biggest reason why Notre Dame was the right choice is the coaching staff and the players,” Shepard told the Tribune in a phone interview Thursday night. “Their staff’s ability to develop players, to get them ready for the next level and compete at this level, it’s not really comparable to any other coaching staff.

“Notre Dame has a post coach that is second to none and considered the best in the country,” Shepard said. “My skills fit into the offense they run and that offense will allow me to play on the perimeter and in the post.”

“Ultimately what it came down to, at the end of the day what I want to accomplish in college and the opportunities I wanted to have after college I didn’t feel I was on the right track,” she said.

“One of my friends said, ‘Sometimes you have to do what’s scary to grow.’ When she said that, I thought, ‘Yeah I need to do what’s scary rather than what I’m comfortable with.’

“The scary part wasn’t Notre Dame. The scary part was deciding if I was leaving Nebraska or not. Obviously, I grew up here. I have family here, friends here. I’m comfortable. Sometimes you have to venture out a little bit to see what’s out there.”

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[CocoHusky]

Look up her reason, she stated them a bunch of times in interviews and they are all the same...no issues with Nerbraska just she wanted to go somewhere to win & develop for WNBA. Not criteria at all for immediate eligibility.

“I had no issue with Nebraska,” Shepard said. “Ultimately it came down to what I wanted to accomplish in college and the next level. Nebraska just wasn’t the place to get me there.”

Said Shepard: “Coach Williams and the whole staff have been very supportive of me, and I thank them for giving me some time after the season to make my decision. I also want to thank the University of Nebraska and all of my teammates for the support they have given me the past two years, but I feel like I have to do what I think is best for me and my future at this time.”

“I want to play for championships. And I want to get pushed every day in practice to get the development I need to get to the next level (WNBA).”

"I really enjoyed my time there, but they were going in a different direction by rebuilding and I wanted a bigger challenge," Shepard said over the summer when she was at the Under-23 USA Basketball camp. "I wanted a chance to compete for championships and thought I had that at Notre Dame."

“I wanted to go to a place where I can develop into the player I want to be and compete for championships,” Shepard said

“I think the biggest reason why Notre Dame was the right choice is the coaching staff and the players,” Shepard told the Tribune in a phone interview Thursday night. “Their staff’s ability to develop players, to get them ready for the next level and compete at this level, it’s not really comparable to any other coaching staff.

“Notre Dame has a post coach that is second to none and considered the best in the country,” Shepard said. “My skills fit into the offense they run and that offense will allow me to play on the perimeter and in the post.”

“Ultimately what it came down to, at the end of the day what I want to accomplish in college and the opportunities I wanted to have after college I didn’t feel I was on the right track,” she said.

“One of my friends said, ‘Sometimes you have to do what’s scary to grow.’ When she said that, I thought, ‘Yeah I need to do what’s scary rather than what I’m comfortable with.’

“The scary part wasn’t Notre Dame. The scary part was deciding if I was leaving Nebraska or not. Obviously, I grew up here. I have family here, friends here. I’m comfortable. Sometimes you have to venture out a little bit to see what’s out there.”

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Great synopsis of why she left Nebraska and why she chose ND!
Has NOTHING to do with why she applied for a waiver request or why it was approved. !
YOU GET AN INCOMPLETE! Nice try though.

 

[Sven23]

Great synopsis of why she left Nebraska and why she chose ND!
Has NOTHING to do with why she applied for a waiver request or why it was approved. !
YOU GET AN INCOMPLETE! Nice try though.

LOl..She left b/c they were rebuilding, she wanted to play for Championships and the 2 finalists were S Carolina & ND. Immediate eligibility is not meant b/c your current school & coaches stink, can't help you improve and/or your team is near the bottom of the conference. You really can't be this naive. FYI, the BS on a waiver didn't come up to to very late in the summer, after she talked to ND AD. Look up the articles, it was a sham made up story the lying Irish concocted.

 

[UConnCat]

Ahhhh, my favorite topic. Waivers. I'll get back on my soapbox on this topic. Suffice it to say that I think there should be no waiver process. There's no criteria and no transparency. It's ridiculous. Immediate eligibility or all transfers sit out.

As for the Shepard Waiver, we were told the reasons were personal and/or a "hardship" of some sort. That makes it clear.

The Shepard waiver was granted the day before or the day of ND's first game of the season. After the news, Dawn Staley tweeted cryptically to the NCAA "what goes in to approving or disapproving waivers." Dawn also accused some unnamed teams of lying to get waivers approved. Of course, we know Dawn recruited Shepard so likely knew all the facts surrounding her decision to transfer from Nebraska.

Again, the process is ridiculous. But as long as the process is there, all players and teams should file petitions for every transfer.

 

[Gus Mahler]

You really can't be this naive.

Are you speaking to @CocoHusky on this? Or "You" in a more general sense.

He's right. The reasons for transferring and the reasons for the waiver are totally different things.

 

[UConnCat]

Are you speaking to @CocoHusky on this? Or "You" in a more general sense.

He's right. The reasons for transferring and the reasons for the waiver are totally different things.

How can they be totally different things? The waiver is from a transfer rule. The rule says you sit a year. The waiver petition says my reasons for transferring should allow me to play immediately.

 

[CocoHusky]

Are you speaking to @CocoHusky on this? Or "You" in a more general sense.
He's right. The reasons for transferring and the reasons for the waiver are totally different things.

How can they be totally different things? The waiver is from a transfer rule. The rule says you sit a year. The waiver petition says my reasons for transferring should allow me to play immediately.

They are different things because when Jessica Transferred she had no idea if a waiver would be accepted or even where she would end up. She transferred to ND, then the waiver was submitted.

 

[UConnCat]

They are different things because when Jessica Transferred she had no idea if a waiver would be accepted or even where she would end up. She transferred to ND, then the waiver was submitted.

So? The chronology you describe is not unusual. The waiver petition must still be based on the reason for the transfer.

There used to be a hardship waiver that said a student-athlete who is transferring could be eligible to play immediately if s/he sought a waiver and the reasons for the transfer met certain criteria (sick family member, etc). The NCAA did away with the hardship allowance but the waiver petition must still be grounded in the reason for the transfer in the first place.

 

[UConnCat]

The NCAA is currently reviewing the criteria for waivers, likely because of complaints. One of the criteria has always been why the student needed to transfer.

The waiver directive last changed in April to allow waivers for immediate eligibility in cases that met specific criteria. The guidelines also changed at that time to add an academic element and a requirement that the first school not oppose the waiver, in addition to the existing requirement that the student needed to transfer because of something outside that student’s control.

DI committee reviewing transfer waiver guidelines

 

[CocoHusky]

Fundamentally I am firmly parked where you are when you say: There's no criteria and no transparency. It's ridiculous. Immediate eligibility or all transfers sit out.
I arrived at this place before the Jessica Shepard's situation. Chatrice White transferred from Illinois in 2016 to Florida State. Chatrice's teammate at Illinois Brooke Kissinger transferred home to Creighton also in 2016.
White was made immediate eligible and Kissinger had to sit out the year.

I will not go as far as Dawn did and @Sven23 has and accuse ND of lying on the application because there are multiple reasons for Shepard leaving and more importantly those reasons must be communicated in different ways. When Jessica is talking to a reporter or Dawn Staley that reason might come across as I was not being challenged and I want to compete for a Championship. I believe Azura said something similar on her transfer from Duke. That same reason, however valid, would be a non starter for a NCAA waiver application so you come up with different reason, equally valid but more likely to get your application approved.
Dawn is not in a position to accuse anyone of lying unless she was privy to the contents of the waiver application. The NCAA approved the application and hopefully verified that the reason was valid.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Yeah, it's baffling when multiple players transfer from the same school at the same time and some are granted immediate eligibility while others have to sit a year. Weren't they subject to the same situation? Oregon lost 3 transfers last year, 2 had to sit and one was able to play right away. How does that make sense? Nebraska lost a bunch of players and it was a hodge pode of immediate eligibility vs. sitting out a year. Natalie Romeo left the year before Shepherd and didn't have to sit out a year at UW. Chandler Smith transferred to Gonzaga and did have to wait a year to play. The whole thing is confusing and makes no sense. I agree w/ the sentiment, everybody sits for a year or everybody is immediately eligible, none of this pick and choose stuff with no transparency.

 

[Roger G]

How can they be totally different things? .

They can be totally different things if you are just saying stuff to the public and if you are actually meaning something else on paper. We should just grow up. Everybody is a politician now.