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Podcast - Nova can win the Big East

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I'm not a Marquette believer as the league sets up for next year, but UConn, Nova, Creighton, Xavier, St Johns, seems like a murderers row, with Marquette, Seton Hall, and Providence as tough outs, and Georgetown improved. Butler and Depaul will take their lumps. Big East, coupled with our out of conference schedule of national beasts, is a formidable schedule. Clingan's ability to stay on the floor with health, lack of foul trouble, and endurance, is really our key to success in this gauntlet IMO.
 
Ricker said:
I'm not a Marquette believer as the league sets up for next year, but UConn, Nova, Creighton, Xavier, St Johns, seems like a murderers row, with Marquette, Seton Hall, and Providence as tough outs, and Georgetown improved. Butler and Depaul will take their lumps. Big East, coupled with our out of conference schedule of national beasts, is a formidable schedule. Clingan's ability to stay on the floor with health, lack of foul trouble, and endurance, is really our key to success in this gauntlet IMO.
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Any reason you don't like Marquette next year? They return everyone except Maxence-Prosper from a team that won the Big East and bring in a solid recruiting class
 
navery12 said:
Any reason you don't like Marquette next year? They return everyone except Maxence-Prosper from a team that won the Big East and bring in a solid recruiting class
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I don't know if they'll win the league but they should definitely be very good. O-Max is a huge loss though.
 
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Rico444 said:
I don't know if they'll win the league but they should definitely be very good. O-Max is a huge loss though.
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He's definitely a big loss, but he was also their 4th best player by all the advanced metrics. I doubt they repeat as champs, but that's mostly because I think UConn and Creighton are top 10 teams in the country and it's always tough to repeat
 
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@navery12 I'm not down on Marquette, I just think they overachieved last year. My opinion is skewed a bit by perhaps overweighting the beat down we gave them here. I just see them 3-6 in the Big East next year which would still have them an NCAA team but sweating out selection Sunday. Comes from my gut rather than evidence based.
 
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navery12 said:
He's definitely a big loss, but he was also their 4th best player by all the advanced metrics. I doubt they repeat as champs, but that's mostly because I think UConn and Creighton are top 10 teams in the country and it's always tough to repeat
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How about his defensive metrics? He was the guy they stuck on Hawkins in the BET and it won them the game.
 
aburks41 said:
How about his defensive metrics? He was the guy they stuck on Hawkins in the BET and it won them the game.
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He was by far their lowest rated rotation player by DBPM, 5th was defensive win shares, and 4th in D-PRPG (the defensive portion of Bart Torvik's player rating), DRTG was 104.2. So about the same as his overall impact. He's a great player, just don't think it's a back-breaking loss
 
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Ricker said:
@navery12 I'm not down on Marquette, I just think they overachieved last year. My opinion is skewed a bit by perhaps overweighting the beat down we gave them here. I just see them 3-6 in the Big East next year which would still have them an NCAA team but sweating out selection Sunday. Comes from my gut rather than evidence based.
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How do you look at a team that we went 1-2 against including a BET semi loss and say they overachieved when we won a natty? That’s peak boneyarding.
 
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He didnt say he should be fired, just that he wasnt very good.

He's getting his chance.
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How do we know?

He certainly isn't experienced as a head coach. He coached his one season without his best player and without a point guard.
 
superjohn said:
How do we know?

He certainly isn't experienced as a head coach. He coached his one season without his best player and without a point guard.
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His first season was at Fordham. That’s a closer reflection of where he belongs. It’s another case of a school trying to hire off the coaching tree rather than hiring the best candidate.
 
August_West said:
How do you look at a team that we went 1-2 against including a BET semi loss and say they overachieved when we won a natty? That’s peak boneyarding.
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I think you spelled it out. We won a national championship beating all comers by double digits, I think we had the better team, I'd take our team over theirs in a heartbeat on paper, we have multiple players turning pro, and a 7'2 phenom freshman. They have none of that yet they beat us twice. Isn't that the epitome of over achieving? Otherwise, aren't you arguing they were the better team?
 
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HuskyHawk said:
His first season was at Fordham. That’s a closer reflection of where he belongs. It’s another case of a school trying to hire off the coaching tree rather than hiring the best candidate.
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Come on, you don't think I know he coached at Fordham for one season?

At least give him this season with a healthy squad and a lot of talent to assess how much he stinks.
 
Ricker said:
I think you spelled it out. We won a national championship beating all comers by double digits, I think we had the better team, I'd take our team over theirs in a heartbeat on paper, we have multiple players turning pro, and a 7'2 phenom freshman. They have none of that yet they beat us twice. Isn't that the epitome of over achieving? Otherwise, aren't you arguing they were the better team?
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There is overachieving and getting fortunate somehow... and then there is going 20-3 against Big East teams while being a top 10 KenPom team (no Providence shenanigans).

They were legit and now they are returning 8 of their 9 rotation guys. There's no chance they're a bubble team.
 
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Ricker said:
I think you spelled it out. We won a national championship beating all comers by double digits, I think we had the better team, I'd take our team over theirs in a heartbeat on paper, we have multiple players turning pro, and a 7'2 phenom freshman. They have none of that yet they beat us twice. Isn't that the epitome of over achieving? Otherwise, aren't you arguing they were the better team?
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We’ve matched up very well with them over the last few years. We should’ve been 2-0 against them in conference.
 
Ricker said:
@navery12 I'm not down on Marquette, I just think they overachieved last year. My opinion is skewed a bit by perhaps overweighting the beat down we gave them here. I just see them 3-6 in the Big East next year which would still have them an NCAA team but sweating out selection Sunday. Comes from my gut rather than evidence based.
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They have Shaka Smart and he instills confidence. Marquette may not win the NBE in 2023-2024 but they will be returning the NBE POY/best PG and that in itself is worth a ton.
They will be fine. Nova - thats another story because Neptune is a HUGE question mark.
 
Ricker said:
I think you spelled it out. We won a national championship beating all comers by double digits, I think we had the better team, I'd take our team over theirs in a heartbeat on paper, we have multiple players turning pro, and a 7'2 phenom freshman. They have none of that yet they beat us twice. Isn't that the epitome of over achieving? Otherwise, aren't you arguing they were the better team?
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Marquette beat UConn in the most meaningful game of the 3 - BET semis . I agree that UConn had, on paper, the better team but Marquette was by far more consistent. UConn beat every team that was placed in front of them to win the NC. Were they the best teams in the country? No but to win the NC you have to win all your games and UConn did that and as you said, by double figures.
Marquette beat UConn because they have the leagues best PG and they are disciplined on their approach. They lost their one match up to UConn because UConn was the better team that one night.
Marquette was the best team in the NBE last season - you cant argue that.
 
UConnSwag11 said:
We’ve matched up very well with them over the last few years. We should’ve been 2-0 against them in conference.
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And against Creighton and taken at least 1 of 2 vs Xavier.
 
Preseason, Marquette was picked in the lower half of the Big East and finished first, and beat the national champions twice. I don't know why it is arguable that they over achieved vs the expectations for the team or why it is a 'peak' boneyard take. It seems obvious to me that they got more out of their roster than conference coaches saw on paper preseason. All I said was that I'm personally not sold that they will be as good in 2023-2024. Plenty of teams return large portions of their lineups and don't do as well the next year. (UNC?) I'm not trying to influence anybody else's opinion about Marquette. I like the team, I like Shaka, I just think they did better than their bonafide talent.
 
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