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Didn't we have winning or at leat break-even in FB against , Cuse, Pitt,, and even Louisville
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Taking the entire athletic departments into account, yes UCONN did achieve much more. If you want to talk just football, then I could argue again, UCONN did achieve more. UCONN improved tremendously from making the jump to 1-A to making a BCS bowl game. This is all old news to everyone here. But if you don't think UCONN achieved more than the likes of Pitt, Syracuse,Rutgers...well I am simply not taking the time to debate.
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UConn had trouble hitting the Final AP Top 25 Poll...
Since 2000...even in the good years...no Top 25 finish
Louisville...2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2012, 2013
Pitt....2002, 2004, 2009
Syracuse...2001
Not saying that finishing Top 25 in AP is the end all-be all, but finishing Top 25 lends to the football brand.
Since 2000...even in the good years...no Top 25 finish
Louisville...2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2012, 2013
Pitt....2002, 2004, 2009
Syracuse...2001
Not saying that finishing Top 25 in AP is the end all-be all, but finishing Top 25 lends to the football brand.
When the ACC made its move in 2011 for Syracuse we had beaten them 5 straight. They were pitiful. They had a football brand like Princeton had a football brand. Both Princeton and Syracuse last won a National title in the same decade - the fifties!
And please no references to Louisville - it is a joke of an academic institution. You and the rest of the ACC can live with that. Maybe the folks at FSU don't give a about that though. Right?
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In a sports conference, I really don't care that much about academics, you are right. Duke or Louisville...it is the teams that they field that make an athletic conference.
Would I rather play a football game against Duke or against Louisville? I guess there is some tension there when FSU plays Duke...could this be the year that the Dookies will finally win a game against FSU? But the game with Louisville interests me more. In a Brain Bowl...give me Duke.
Academics get played up a lot when a program wants to beat their chest but the football isn't what they can brag about. I understand that. Play up your attributes..play down the negatives. That the SEC doesn't have many top 25 academic institutions is not something to worry about in competitions between sports conferences. Their SEC..SEC..SEC chant isn't about academics.
You run with what you have...academics, basketball, market, etc.
And I think those are positive things to emphasize.
But..when the ACC added Louisville (and Pitt)...it was like a pee wee football try out. The coach is looking at a line of guys standing there in pads and helmets, and the guy on the end is in baggy shorts, high tops, and holding a basketball.
Just my opinion...and I don't expect much agreement.
Would I rather play a football game against Duke or against Louisville? I guess there is some tension there when FSU plays Duke...could this be the year that the Dookies will finally win a game against FSU? But the game with Louisville interests me more. In a Brain Bowl...give me Duke.
Academics get played up a lot when a program wants to beat their chest but the football isn't what they can brag about. I understand that. Play up your attributes..play down the negatives. That the SEC doesn't have many top 25 academic institutions is not something to worry about in competitions between sports conferences. Their SEC..SEC..SEC chant isn't about academics.
You run with what you have...academics, basketball, market, etc.
And I think those are positive things to emphasize.
But..when the ACC added Louisville (and Pitt)...it was like a pee wee football try out. The coach is looking at a line of guys standing there in pads and helmets, and the guy on the end is in baggy shorts, high tops, and holding a basketball.
Just my opinion...and I don't expect much agreement.
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billybud said:
I guess coach wasn't there when the baggy shorts basketball guy on the end also beat Louisville in football three days prior to final cuts.
I still hate everything so much in conference realignment.
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Well that's good. Because there's nothing to debate. If you really think we accomplished more in our 9 years in the Big East in football than Syracuse or Pitt (I said in my first post we did more than Rutgers) did while playing in the conference for the entire time the conference was in existence, I can't help you.
Yes, we had a great rise from 1AA and made a BCS bowl, but everyone else you named also made the BCS (again, not counting Rutgers) and had a number of seasons better than our best season.
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I think that's it...
Louisville finished Top 25 in six seasons 2000-2013 and Pitt finished in three seasons. If you are attempting to improve the football brand, these finishes catch your eye more than a program that has not finished ranked.
A conference's relative strength is often judged by the number of teams ranked, something the ACC sorely needs.
Regarding Syracuse's addition. The Cuse were the "bride price" for getting Miami to move to the ACC. Miami asked for BC and Cuse as part of their package (Miami has a northeastern orientation in alumni and student recruiting). Shalala was a Cuse alum.
The Virginia fandango with VT entering sidelined that plan, but Miami held IOU's.
Louisville finished Top 25 in six seasons 2000-2013 and Pitt finished in three seasons. If you are attempting to improve the football brand, these finishes catch your eye more than a program that has not finished ranked.
A conference's relative strength is often judged by the number of teams ranked, something the ACC sorely needs.
Regarding Syracuse's addition. The Cuse were the "bride price" for getting Miami to move to the ACC. Miami asked for BC and Cuse as part of their package (Miami has a northeastern orientation in alumni and student recruiting). Shalala was a Cuse alum.
The Virginia fandango with VT entering sidelined that plan, but Miami held IOU's.
Don't worry I won't let you down. BTW, take your patronizing crap about academics and football elsewhere. Don't try to convince us that the Pitt, Syra.... or LV add made any more sense to the ACC than UConn. Don't piss away whatever cred you think you have with that BS argument. We'll end up elsewhere and the ACC will ultimately rot from within. Perhaps years from now (if someone wants to waste the time) the ashes of the ACC will sifted through. Then it will know it was an effed up confederation like the HRE or Austria-Hungary. Don't parry with me BB - I will run you through. I have neither the time nor temperament to deal with your arcane BS.
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I think billybud is telling a mostly accurate history lesson. Miami wanted northeast schools and Shalala had personal affection for Cuse and BC and dislike for UConn, and the ACC let her personal prejudices control their northeast adds. BC had irrational fear and loathing for UConn and the ACC let BC pick Pitt over UConn. Somebody had prejudice against WVU so they let WVU go to B12, losing the WVU-Pitt rivalry, and ended up with Louisville in its place, forcing them even farther west with worse academics. FSU had a short-term desire for a southern-oriented football school and a desire to show it could triumph over Tobacco Road and the perceived "basketball schools," and they got Louisville over UConn.
Overall, what billybud is telling us is that the ACC is an institution with no strategic goals that lets petty politics and personal prejudices control its most crucial decisions. He is painting a compelling portrait of an organization that has failed strategically.
Overall, what billybud is telling us is that the ACC is an institution with no strategic goals that lets petty politics and personal prejudices control its most crucial decisions. He is painting a compelling portrait of an organization that has failed strategically.
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And RU as conference mates.
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Unbelievable how many times during the Women's game tonight they mentioned how UCONN does not belong in the American. So embarrassing. Even sadder that this BY FAR our biggest national exposure game of the basketball season so far with the performance of our mens team. Throw us a bone Big 10.
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Yes, BIG help us out - it doesn't hurt to keep having our name brought up in a discussion like this. Keep pounding the message home.
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One can't parry with anger. I have no personal angst regarding the ACC nor UConn and thus lack that motivator. I am rational but understand the anger. And "run me through". Ye gads!
I don't think that you can really fault me much for much of my thinking...it is fairly logical, but you may not like my expository style.
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The ACC is not a great football conference..it is adequate. Most eastern conferences have been disadvantaged against the SEC and Big 10 when it comes to football. That won't change.
FSU, Clemson, NC State, VT would all love an SEC invite and I could see some AAU ACC schools jumping at a B1G invite (and thus the GOR-$50 million Exit fee).
Of the eastern powers, the SEC and B1G have more "biggies" than the ACC.
Because of that disparity, the ACC will lag in actual strength and public perception. Sometimes the perception is worse than reality, sometimes not.
That dynamic of the strong SEC/B1G was part of the whole ACC/BE death dance. The two lesser conferences in the east were tied at the wrist and locked into a Mexican knife fight. Only one could survive.
If there is ever a move to four 16 member conferences, it will be the Big 12 and ACC in the knife fight...and only one can survive.
I haven't a clue who will carry on...and don't have any skin in the game. My team will play somewhere...I'd rather be Indy as we were. but that is not feasible.
FSU, Clemson, NC State, VT would all love an SEC invite and I could see some AAU ACC schools jumping at a B1G invite (and thus the GOR-$50 million Exit fee).
Of the eastern powers, the SEC and B1G have more "biggies" than the ACC.
Because of that disparity, the ACC will lag in actual strength and public perception. Sometimes the perception is worse than reality, sometimes not.
That dynamic of the strong SEC/B1G was part of the whole ACC/BE death dance. The two lesser conferences in the east were tied at the wrist and locked into a Mexican knife fight. Only one could survive.
If there is ever a move to four 16 member conferences, it will be the Big 12 and ACC in the knife fight...and only one can survive.
I haven't a clue who will carry on...and don't have any skin in the game. My team will play somewhere...I'd rather be Indy as we were. but that is not feasible.
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All great posts and I think we all are on the same level in this matter. Now what gets me fired up is the fact that our leaders Warde or Sue show no sign care in the world where we are in conference realignment. Warde says just win and things will work themselves out. Sue I think does not really care about sports in general and is fine right where are we at.
Now either they know we are next inline in joining B1G or they know that there is no new conference for UConn in the future and have excepted our faith.
As UConn fans we have not excepted the fact we are in a mid major. We deserve better, you know it and I know it. It would nice to hear Warde or Sue address to us fans the plans they have to get us out of this Mid Major Hell.
Now either they know we are next inline in joining B1G or they know that there is no new conference for UConn in the future and have excepted our faith.
As UConn fans we have not excepted the fact we are in a mid major. We deserve better, you know it and I know it. It would nice to hear Warde or Sue address to us fans the plans they have to get us out of this Mid Major Hell.
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Pete, not that my post will give you any comfort or ease your concerns, but I know for certain that Susan and Warde not only realize how important this topic is, but they are both working - very smartly and discreetly - to remedy it. They're just not doing it through the media or public channels (no selfies of them giving duck face while standing with the Prez of OU). There is no guarentee it will all play out the way we all want (although I am confident it will), but I know they are working the hell out of it. It just sucks sitting in the position we are in today.
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Like they got together on Rudy Gay?
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Assuming you want into the B1G and are actively being considered (even if it's a Rutgers-style "you're in when the timing's right") then absolute silence is your friend and the very best sign of your future. It you're ever alone in a room with Susan and Warde, and catch the faint scent of Delany bowel wafting off the tips of their noses, that's a good sign, too.
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Except in this Mexican knife dance, the ACC had the knives. The Big East was looking the other way without a clue.
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