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Player of the year?

This will come down to whether the voter values scoring or all round statistical dominance. Sure, there will/may be a few other factors but those are the main determinates!
 
Cuango said:
This will come down to whether the voter values scoring or all round statistical dominance. Sure, there will/may be a few other factors but those are the main determinates!
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I believe Angel McCoughty was a higher scorer than Maya Moore. Who should have won the award(s)?
There's a reason why advanced stats were created.
If they are looked at, it's not close.
 
hoophuskee said:
I believe Angel McCoughty was a higher scorer than Maya Moore. Who should have won the award(s)?
There's a reason why advanced stats were created.
If they are looked at, it's not close.
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Angel consistently underperformed against good teams that year and got completely obliterated by Maya Moore head to head. Maya famously had more points that all of Louisville when she checked out of the Big Each Championship game. The score was 69-27.

Blakes is torching top teams and has better overall numbers than Angel did. Vanderbilt is also having a better regular season than Louisville did in 2009. I’d still lean Strong for POY but Blakes is a much bigger threat than Angel was in 2009.
 
bballnut90 said:
Angel consistently underperformed against good teams that year and got completely obliterated by Maya Moore head to head. Maya famously had more points that all of Louisville when she checked out of the Big Each Championship game. The score was 69-27.

Blakes is torching top teams and has better overall numbers than Angel did. Vanderbilt is also having a better regular season than Louisville did in 2009. I’d still lean Strong for POY but Blakes is a much bigger threat than Angel was in 2009.
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Yes but I was replying specifically to the below in bold. Not what was done in the NCAAT. I realize in NCAAT, she struggled to score efficiently but POY is reg season still I think?

And i perused the stats and back then the Big East was pretty good vs top 25 teams other than UCONN. And overall she did very well other than vs UCONN. If the equation was a combo of UCONN head to head and the team being stronger, well while there is no head-to-head, UCONN is undefeated and Sarah leads in nearly every stat.

And I just did a check in co-pilot gave it the stats and things like srs and everything else i could and asked it to rank this team over the last 10 years including not only other champions but final four team and it ranked this team 2nd. The point is that this a super team. Irrelevant if they are 2nd, 3rd 6th etc. Seh is the number 1 player with nearly all tops in team stats for the so-far dominant team in wcbb. That hs some significant value.

This will come down to whether the voter values scoring or all round statistical dominance. Sure, there will/may be a few other factors but those are the main determinates!
 
I think that Sarah is more interested in winning a championship with her friends than an individual award. If she does win, will they be successful in getting her to make an actual speech, lol? She’d probably be relieved if they just mailed any awards to her
 
I could see a split of NPOY awards along the same lines as last season between Paige & Watkins.

Watkins won just about all the awards voted on by media, sportswriters and various business/sports entities such as the Atlanta Tip-off Club including: AP, USBWA, Wooden & Naismith. Paige won the 2 awards that were voted on by the coaches: Wade Trophy & Honda Award.

The simple explanation is that sportswriters, media and related organizations vote as fans would, with an emphasis on scoring above all else. Coaches are much more discerning, recognizing such things as efficiency, versatility and overall contribution to winning.

I put it this way. Which player would you pick first if you were choosing up sides: Paige or Watkins? Sarah or Blakes?
 
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oldude said:
I could see a split of NPOY awards along the same lines as last season between Paige & Watkins.

Watkins won just about all the awards voted on by media, sportswriters and various business/sports entities such as the Atlanta Tip-off Club including: AP, USBWA, Wooden & Naismith. Paige won the 2 awards that were voted on by the coaches: Wade Trophy & Honda Award.

The simple explanation is that sportswriters, media and related organizations vote as fans would, with an emphasis on scoring above all else. Coaches are much more discerning, recognizing such things as efficiency, versatility and overall contribution to winning.

I put it this way. Which player would you pick first if you were choosing up sides: Paige or Watkins? Sarah or Blakes?
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Paige over Watkins and Sarah over Blakes - not even close
 
GetReal2day said:
Paige over Watkins and Sarah over Blakes - not even close
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I agree. But last season, all of the media/sportswriter polls went for Watkins, reminding us that sports reporters are just fans that get paid to write or talk about sports. On the other hand, coaches get paid to win games, understanding what it takes to do so.
 
We will see how this last week goes; but I would vote for Blakes. If it were up to me; she would win.

It is incredible what she has done at Vandy.
 
does anyone know how these various NPOY awards are determined? and who votes, if there is a vote? or does some board or czar of the organization make the pick?

if we knew, placing the blame/praise for each of the award picks would be more edifying.

thank you
 
PacoSwede said:
does anyone know how these various NPOY awards are determined? and who votes, if there is a vote? or does some board or czar of the organization make the pick?

if we knew, placing the blame/praise for each of the award picks would be more edifying.

thank you
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See my post #21 in this thread.
 
PacoSwede said:
does anyone know how these various NPOY awards are determined? and who votes, if there is a vote? or does some board or czar of the organization make the pick?

if we knew, placing the blame/praise for each of the award picks would be more edifying.

thank you
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Wooden Award: 35 member panel
Naismith: Atlanta Tipoff club board of selectors
AP: 35 media members

etc. It's all on Wikipedia
 
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I think Strong's astounding stats make a compelling case. 60/40/90 shooting - a new category! Guard play from a forward/center. Defense. Unbeaten team. etc.

Still Blakes brings the it factor of raising a non traditional program, and leading some big wins on national TV.

If Blakes wins, I would certainly understand why. Also since Shea Ralph sort of makes Vandy into UConn south, it would be easy for me to be graciously happy for them. 😁
 
fomalhaut said:
The website that created those graphs is breaking a basic principle: the horizontal axes have different ranges.
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(?):
  • Both the Torvik Table and RAPM Table are tables for players listed (1 line per player);
  • The Torvik Table has visually misaligned headings, but the values per player align with the headings.
 
NycUcWbbFan said:
(?):
  • Both the Torvik Table and RAPM Table are tables for players listed (1 line per player);
  • The Torvik Table has visually misaligned headings, but the values per player align with the headings.
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Sorry: I meant vertical (not horizontal) axes on the graphs. E.g. Fudd's graph runs from 60 to 180, and Hidalgo's from 60 to 160, and they're about 20 points out of alignment. Fudd has been above 120 since very early in the season, Hidalgo under 120 since very early in the season.
 
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I don't want to steer off-topic, but the contrast between Strong and Blakes seems similar to the Jokic vs. Gilgeous-Alexander debate. SGA is a slightly better (but less efficient) scorer, but inferior to Jokic in virtually everything else. I believe he won last year only because Oklahoma City is better than Denver (and Blakes doesn't even have that advantage).
 
fomalhaut said:
Sorry: I meant vertical (not horizontal) axes on the graphs. E.g. Fudd's graph runs from 60 to 180, and Hidalgo's from 60 to 160, and they're about 20 points out of alignment. Fudd has been above 120 since very early in the season, Hidalgo under 120 since very early in the season.
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Sorry, you spliced the portion about BPM and RAPM, so I assumed you meant those.

It appears you meant the OffRtg graphs from my original post. I took the graphs and pasted them side-by-side from separate Torvik player pages for Azzi and Hannah.
  • Yes, Azzi has the better OffRtg even though the different vertical axes obscures this.
Going back on topic, Sarah is the better player on the better team.
  • Mikayla’s TS% of 59% is lower than 8 UConn players’ TS% (including Sarah at 68.6%).
  • And Sarah is far and away the better all around player.
 
Late to the party, but I think Old Dude has nailed it. Be happy if the Coaches look beyond scoring and consider playing time. Media/ writers will always give the award to quarterbacks, oops wrong sport, but you get my message.
 
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