Per-40 spreadsheet and rate rankings grid thru Ole Miss

[JRRRJ]

Download the spreadsheet here.

Neither of the last two games were pretty, but showed both showed glimpses of the kind of balletic offensive play we like to see. The defense remains quite good, excepting the Ole Miss 3rd quarter. Looking forward to the inevitable improvement. And no more games against that team of officials.

Kinda curious why Geno played so much zone against a team with 3 willing distance shooters. Even more curious as to why 3 players never saw the floor. Geno claims the goals are 1) win the conference 2) win the conference tourney 3) win the whole shooting match. So why not give the last 3 the opportunity to play against the first really physical defense they've encountered? Beside having Paige and Sara court fatigue and possible injury by playing more than 35 minutes against that defense. Ah, well. I'm not the one making the millions.



Some movement in the grid with a couple more players now eligible. We're now requiring a minimum of 100 minutes played.

Points	Paige 29.17	Jana 20.63	Sarah 19.55
ORB	Jana 5.47	Sarah/Ice ~2.2	Q/Ashlynn ~1.1
DRB	Jana 10.53	Sarah/Q ~8.0	Ice 5.67
TRB	Jana 16.00	Sarah 10.34	Q 9.14
Assists	Kaitlyn 6.48	KK 6.18	Paige 5.97
Blocks	Sarah 2.47	Jana 1.68	Ice/Q 1.1
Steals	Sarah 3.82	Paige/Ashlynn ~3.3	KK 2.93
TO	KK 0.65	Ashlynn 1.08	Sarah 1.57
Fouls	Ashlynn 0.54	Paige 0.88	KK 1.30
Made FT	Paige 3.31	Jana/Ice ~2.1	Kaitlyn 1.13

 

[Dugway]

@JRRRJ, Thank you for the information.

The summary report within your post #1 to this thread has Jana El Alfy’s points per 40 listed at 29.63, actually ahead of Paige. Within the spreadsheet it indicates she really scores at a rate of 20.63 per 40-min game. I suspect just a typo.

Thank you again!

 

[JRRRJ]

@JRRRJ, Thank you for the information.

The summary report within your post #1 to this thread has Jana El Alfy’s points per 40 listed at 29.63, actually ahead of Paige. Within the spreadsheet it indicates she really scores at a rate of 20.63 per 40-min game. I suspect just a typo.

Thank you again!

Fixed. Thank you!

 

[hoophuskee]

Even more curious as to why 3 players never saw the floor. Geno claims the goals are 1) win the conference 2) win the conference tourney 3) win the whole shooting match. So why not give the last 3 the opportunity to play against the first really physical defense they've encountered? Beside having Paige and Sara court fatigue and possible injury by playing more than 35 minutes against that defense. Ah, well. I'm not the one making the millions.

dont agree with your pov. When the game is close why not play your best players in order to have a better chance to win? While there are end of season goals, there is also a priority to win the game in front of you. And who says the 3 players that didn't play that they will play well in the ncaa tourney during those games that the team is struggling to win on that given night if you gave them minutes in this game? Why not work your core players as much as possible vs the tough teams so you can develop the best chemistry possible so when you play those tight games in March your core unit will be optimally prepared? Chemistry is very important.

 

[JRRRJ]

dont agree with your pov. When the game is close why not play your best players in order to have a better chance to win? While there are end of season goals, there is also a priority to win the game in front of you. And who says the 3 players that didn't play that they will play well in the ncaa tourney during those games that the team is struggling to win on that given night if you gave them minutes in this game? Why not work your core players as much as possible vs the tough teams so you can develop the best chemistry possible so when you play those tight games in March your core unit will be optimally prepared? Chemistry is very important.

Geno has stated more than once that "winning the game in front of you" is not a priority, those 3 goals are the priority. And, playing wonderfully or not, we've learned that it's possible that those 3 players may be part of the only 7 left standing at the end of the year. When up by 20+ points, it's not a brain-dead idea to put one or 2 of those players in with starters to get experience you may direly need at the end of the season, and decrease the likelihood of injury by giving your starters significant rest.

And the team is stronger yet if the chemistry spreads across all of them.

 

[hoophuskee]

Geno has stated more than once that "winning the game in front of you" is not a priority, those 3 goals are the priority. And, playing wonderfully or not, we've learned that it's possible that those 3 players may be part of the only 7 left standing at the end of the year. When up by 20+ points, it's not a brain-dead idea to put one or 2 of those players in with starters to get experience you may direly need at the end of the season, and decrease the likelihood of injury by giving your starters significant rest.

And the team is stronger yet if the chemistry spreads across all of them.

I come in peace! Please don't take offense. Here is my view - I disagree with yours.

He has? Do you have the quote (it’s okay if you don't. I can't find the YT quote I am referencing.)? Do you have 1 that winning a game is not a priority? I'd be shocked. Unless his team was injured or something along those lines? So if he isn't trying to win the game in front of him as a priority, then on occasion, would be okay if his players don't play to win on that day because he felt it not a priority?

Secondly, if you (Geno or any other coach) are so worried with injures then what's the point of trying to win these type of games instead of just playing everyone equal minutes?

Three The game got to a few points in the 4th qtr, didn't it? UCONN had a 20+ point lead and the other team cut the lead and put themselves in a position to make the game more than extremely tight, so I don't agree with your pov about 20 point leads.

Please don't get upset (nor will I if you have any quote) My point for 2 and 3 is that imo you misinterpreted his comments. I could be wrong as well. Geno surprised me with his "body language" comments from the past. But I also know he highly exaggerates too.

4th: When you say that these players maybe be direly needed, but imo and apparently Geno’s that the core players he assigns will be direly needed and that’s a certainty. your point is an "only if . . ." And with 8 player one injury you can still be very formidable. And UCONN has Aubrey coming back too. And you are a stat guy, I'm sure you can see some teams have won with a core of 7 or 8, right? And how many injuries did they go through for their core players and they still had at least 7?

5th: I don't mean this to be offensive, but in regard to injury, if you are going to coach to the degree you are stating then imo that is scared then you don't belong in coaching Div 1. A player plays one minute and they can be hurt,.. A person that drives a car that day they can get into an accident.

6th: All I have done is played measly High School basketball for a very strong team. I can't imagine my hs coach back then stating the game we played it wasn't a priority to win. Nor can I imagine in any manner Geno telling Paige or his team on that given day it's not a priority that they win. But just like not winning it all it is understandable that they don't, the same can be said for a game. Geno could be "okay" with it, but for a game you are competing on that night to say "it's not a priority that we win," - then with that attitude I don't understand why you'd even bother playing. Thus, I think our definition of "priority" is different. One game doesn't make a season but it matters enough that you compete to win.

Maybe we have a different definition of "priority?" I just found the quote(s) on YouTube (not sure I can send it on here) Geno said as long as his team is competing in (CHANGED from "for" to "in") Final Fours then that's all that counts (to paraphrase he was stating his team was there all the time; the last week of the season and "that’s all that matters" is how he phrased it.) So, does this mean that he doesn't feel winning the title is a priority because he is okay if his team doesn't win it? He could be okay with a loss but still he is coaching to win. And by coaching to win; that is a priority otherwise why bother to coach to win and instead just give everyone equal minutes? This is why he plays Paige 35-40 minutes in big games and why others don’t play.

 

[PJCLaw]

Download the spreadsheet here.

Neither of the last two games were pretty, but showed both showed glimpses of the kind of balletic offensive play we like to see. The defense remains quite good, excepting the Ole Miss 3rd quarter. Looking forward to the inevitable improvement. And no more games against that team of officials.

Kinda curious why Geno played so much zone against a team with 3 willing distance shooters. Even more curious as to why 3 players never saw the floor. Geno claims the goals are 1) win the conference 2) win the conference tourney 3) win the whole shooting match. So why not give the last 3 the opportunity to play against the first really physical defense they've encountered? Beside having Paige and Sara court fatigue and possible injury by playing more than 35 minutes against that defense. Ah, well. I'm not the one making the millions.



Some movement in the grid with a couple more players now eligible. We're now requiring a minimum of 100 minutes played.

Points	Paige 29.17	Jana 20.63	Sarah 19.55
ORB	Jana 5.47	Sarah/Ice ~2.2	Q/Ashlynn ~1.1
DRB	Jana 10.53	Sarah/Q ~8.0	Ice 5.67
TRB	Jana 16.00	Sarah 10.34	Q 9.14
Assists	Kaitlyn 6.48	KK 6.18	Paige 5.97
Blocks	Sarah 2.47	Jana 1.68	Ice/Q 1.1
Steals	Sarah 3.82	Paige/Ashlynn ~3.3	KK 2.93
TO	KK 0.65	Ashlynn 1.08	Sarah 1.57
Fouls	Ashlynn 0.54	Paige 0.88	KK 1.30
Made FT	Paige 3.31	Jana/Ice ~2.1	Kaitlyn 1.13

Geno wanted to win the game and the 8 players who played gave the team the best chance to win. This in not Little League where everyone gets to play every game. Geno knows who he can trust in what situations, and I trust his judgment (we all know his resume), so that is good enough for me.

 

[huskyd]

Download the spreadsheet here.

Neither of the last two games were pretty, but showed both showed glimpses of the kind of balletic offensive play we like to see. The defense remains quite good, excepting the Ole Miss 3rd quarter. Looking forward to the inevitable improvement. And no more games against that team of officials.

Kinda curious why Geno played so much zone against a team with 3 willing distance shooters. Even more curious as to why 3 players never saw the floor. Geno claims the goals are 1) win the conference 2) win the conference tourney 3) win the whole shooting match. So why not give the last 3 the opportunity to play against the first really physical defense they've encountered? Beside having Paige and Sara court fatigue and possible injury by playing more than 35 minutes against that defense. Ah, well. I'm not the one making the millions.



Some movement in the grid with a couple more players now eligible. We're now requiring a minimum of 100 minutes played.

Points	Paige 29.17	Jana 20.63	Sarah 19.55
ORB	Jana 5.47	Sarah/Ice ~2.2	Q/Ashlynn ~1.1
DRB	Jana 10.53	Sarah/Q ~8.0	Ice 5.67
TRB	Jana 16.00	Sarah 10.34	Q 9.14
Assists	Kaitlyn 6.48	KK 6.18	Paige 5.97
Blocks	Sarah 2.47	Jana 1.68	Ice/Q 1.1
Steals	Sarah 3.82	Paige/Ashlynn ~3.3	KK 2.93
TO	KK 0.65	Ashlynn 1.08	Sarah 1.57
Fouls	Ashlynn 0.54	Paige 0.88	KK 1.30
Made FT	Paige 3.31	Jana/Ice ~2.1	Kaitlyn 1.13

Correct: you're not the one, etc. Geno has always played his top 5 (available) players in crunch time; it's how he operates. Exceptions are his recent use of Azzi in order to get her back to form asap. He played her when she wasn't the most effective participant, but she quickly rewarded his decision and made the big shots when needed. Before severe injuries, Geno used to play his top players late in already-won games because he thought the fans came out to see them (not the subs). I believe he's less likely to do this given the slew of hurts his best have lately experienced: preservation not presentation.
With the Big Least teams all ahead, everyone can expect to eat this season. But in the biggest games, you'll see the best 5 on the court. And no one is better at subbing than Geno.

 

[YKCornelius]

Download the spreadsheet here.

Neither of the last two games were pretty, but showed both showed glimpses of the kind of balletic offensive play we like to see. The defense remains quite good, excepting the Ole Miss 3rd quarter. Looking forward to the inevitable improvement. And no more games against that team of officials.

Kinda curious why Geno played so much zone against a team with 3 willing distance shooters. Even more curious as to why 3 players never saw the floor. Geno claims the goals are 1) win the conference 2) win the conference tourney 3) win the whole shooting match. So why not give the last 3 the opportunity to play against the first really physical defense they've encountered? Beside having Paige and Sara court fatigue and possible injury by playing more than 35 minutes against that defense. Ah, well. I'm not the one making the millions.

JRRJ, I think I am in agreement with hoophuskee on his multiple points, and not aligned with your point of view with regards to playing the last three off the bench during this game.

Set aside the fact that I, too, have never heard or read Geno saying that "'winning the game in front of you' is not a priority" - although I do concede he MIGHT have thought this during a specific point in a game the last two years when the Huskies were decimated by injuries. I just can't recall anything along those lines - certainly not his position entering a game.

The salient point from a developmental aspect is not getting the last three off the bench playing time against a tough opponent, but rather maximizing the court time to see/evaluate the first eight's chemistry when confronted with tough/unusual situations. After all, with two new players in the starting line-up, a new center (Jana) off the bench, and Azzi not playing in games with anyone other than Paige, team chemistry from a performance perspective is very real focus at this point in the season.

My point is, I think the prudent course of action is to maximize court time with the top eight who would most likely see action in other tough scenarios. Just MHO.

Thanks for putting together these stats. I find them quite thought-provoking.

 

[Zonepress]

I come in peace! Please don't take offense. Here is my view - I disagree with yours.

He has? Do you have the quote (it’s okay if you don't. I can't find the YT quote I am referencing.)? Do you have 1 that winning a game is not a priority? I'd be shocked. Unless his team was injured or something along those lines? So if he isn't trying to win the game in front of him as a priority, then on occasion, would be okay if his players don't play to win on that day because he felt it not a priority?

Secondly, if you (Geno or any other coach) are so worried with injures then what's the point of trying to win these type of games instead of just playing everyone equal minutes?

Three The game got to a few points in the 4th qtr, didn't it? UCONN had a 20+ point lead and the other team cut the lead and put themselves in a position to make the game more than extremely tight, so I don't agree with your pov about 20 point leads.

Please don't get upset (nor will I if you have any quote) My point for 2 and 3 is that imo you misinterpreted his comments. I could be wrong as well. Geno surprised me with his "body language" comments from the past. But I also know he highly exaggerates too.

4th: When you say that these players maybe be direly needed, but imo and apparently Geno’s that the core players he assigns will be direly needed and that’s a certainty. your point is an "only if . . ." And with 8 player one injury you can still be very formidable. And UCONN has Aubrey coming back too. And you are a stat guy, I'm sure you can see some teams have won with a core of 7 or 8, right? And how many injuries did they go through for their core players and they still had at least 7?

5th: I don't mean this to be offensive, but in regard to injury, if you are going to coach to the degree you are stating then imo that is scared then you don't belong in coaching Div 1. A player plays one minute and they can be hurt,.. A person that drives a car that day they can get into an accident.

6th: All I have done is played measly High School basketball for a very strong team. I can't imagine my hs coach back then stating the game we played it wasn't a priority to win. Nor can I imagine in any manner Geno telling Paige or his team on that given day it's not a priority that they win. But just like not winning it all it is understandable that they don't, the same can be said for a game. Geno could be "okay" with it, but for a game you are competing on that night to say "it's not a priority that we win," - then with that attitude I don't understand why you'd even bother playing. Thus, I think our definition of "priority" is different. One game doesn't make a season but it matters enough that you compete to win.

Maybe we have a different definition of "priority?" I just found the quote(s) on YouTube (not sure I can send it on here) Geno said as long as his team is competing for Final Fours then that's all that counts (to paraphrase he was stating his team was there all the time; the last week of the season and "that’s all that matters" is how he phrased it.) So, does this mean that he doesn't feel winning the title is a priority because he is okay if his team doesn't win it? He could be okay with a loss but still he is coaching to win. And by coaching to win; that is a priority otherwise why bother to coach to win and instead just give everyone equal minutes? This is why he plays Paige 35-40 minutes in big games and why others don’t play.

Have read all of this and my take is you play, the players that give you the best chance to win
The eight players he’s playing now are simply
Better players
all of them with the exception
Of JAE have been starters (ice started a few games last year) and five of them played in the final four
Unfortunately, not everyone gets to play
The idea that you can play more than eight players makes no sense
In competitive games PB SS and eventually
Azzi will be playing 35 minutes in competitive game
JAE and ICE will most likely split the minutes at the center spot unless GA play the small line up
With SS at the 5 . that leaves the remainder of minutes for three players. of course, fouls and ineffective play change things
Injuries the transfer portal have changed, roster construction .
the days of having 11 scholarship players that UConn had many years is probably gone
The good news is there are lots of non-competitive games coming up(way too many) that will allow all
The players to get actual playing time
What I would like to see, is not for substitution to a second team but allow all the players to get at least a few minutes playing with the starters

 

[PvP]

Download the spreadsheet here.

Neither of the last two games were pretty, but showed both showed glimpses of the kind of balletic offensive play we like to see. The defense remains quite good, excepting the Ole Miss 3rd quarter. Looking forward to the inevitable improvement. And no more games against that team of officials.

Kinda curious why Geno played so much zone against a team with 3 willing distance shooters. Even more curious as to why 3 players never saw the floor. Geno claims the goals are 1) win the conference 2) win the conference tourney 3) win the whole shooting match. So why not give the last 3 the opportunity to play against the first really physical defense they've encountered? Beside having Paige and Sara court fatigue and possible injury by playing more than 35 minutes against that defense. Ah, well. I'm not the one making the millions.



Some movement in the grid with a couple more players now eligible. We're now requiring a minimum of 100 minutes played.

Points	Paige 29.17	Jana 20.63	Sarah 19.55
ORB	Jana 5.47	Sarah/Ice ~2.2	Q/Ashlynn ~1.1
DRB	Jana 10.53	Sarah/Q ~8.0	Ice 5.67
TRB	Jana 16.00	Sarah 10.34	Q 9.14
Assists	Kaitlyn 6.48	KK 6.18	Paige 5.97
Blocks	Sarah 2.47	Jana 1.68	Ice/Q 1.1
Steals	Sarah 3.82	Paige/Ashlynn ~3.3	KK 2.93
TO	KK 0.65	Ashlynn 1.08	Sarah 1.57
Fouls	Ashlynn 0.54	Paige 0.88	KK 1.30
Made FT	Paige 3.31	Jana/Ice ~2.1	Kaitlyn 1.13

I have come to look for your per 40-minute analysis as soon as the game is over....(no pressure there!). Of course, the more data (games) the more accurate and revealing your charts will be. But, based on the latest data, some facts stand out. If these trends continue, I think it is just a matter of time before Geno will feel comfortable making Jana the primary 5 and joining Paige, Azzi and Sarah in the starting lineup with corresponding more minutes. Jana just stuffs the stat sheet, while Ice's numbers trail hers in all of the most important categories.

Thanks again!