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Message: [QUOTE="ctchamps, post: 2030042, member: 37"] That's the essence of my point. They are the modern day equivalent of the Celtic fan of the past. And since they are New Englanders I used them as an example to argue against August's position about geography. The fans on the women's forum are gracious only because their teams success is above everyone else and it's not even close. They were exactly like the men's forum when Tennessee still had an advantage on them. The football forum is incredibly stoic. Only the strong have remained. Totally different presentation of arguments there from the men's forum so it's not just about fans who are testosterone driven. [/QUOTE]