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WestHartHusk said:
I have been saying this for awhile. I would not invest a dollar in the west/southwest - there are far too many people for the available resources, specifically water. In about five years people are going to look around the country and realize that the mid-atlantic/MN - PA/northeast are the areas that are going to have a livable climate and available fresh water.
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The only thing that can change this is political pressure to siphon great lake water to the southwest, and yes they have drawn up plans for that. This is why they are trying to pass the Great Lakes Compact among politicians from the surrounding states.
 
upstater said:
The only thing that can change this is political pressure to siphon great lake water to the southwest, and yes they have drawn up plans for that. This is why they are trying to pass the Great Lakes Compact among politicians from the surrounding states.
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I have seen those plans. The arrogance of leaders from the south/south-west is astonishing.
 
When the drought takes out the Pac-12, cholesterol takes out the SEC, hurricanes reduces the ACC and Chevys with bad brakes wipes out the Big Ten, we are gonna be sittin' pretty.
 
Fishy said:
When the drought takes out the Pac-12, cholesterol takes out the SEC, hurricanes reduces the ACC and Chevys with bad brakes wipes out the Big Ten, we are gonna be sittin' pretty.
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You're right about everything except the SEC. They have proven that they can procreate fast enough before cholesterol can take them out.
 
WestHartHusk said:
I have seen those plans. The arrogance of leaders from the south/south-west is astonishing.
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I haven't seen those plans but I believe they will have to convince all the Great Lake states, Canada, and illegal aliens from Canada. Good luck with that.
 
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Who knew there were droughts in deserts?

The Southwest doesn't have a water problem, they have a water management problem. There's this huge blue thing sitting to the west of California that can provide plenty of water for everyone.

It's amazing to me how the people out west haven't chosen to build desalinization plants and build the infrastructure needed to consistently deliver water without impacting the rivers, lakes and reservoirs.
 
Desalinization presents three significant problems. First, it is really expensive to set up and operate a desalinization plant. Any locale that is going to run agriculture off desalinization (like you are proposing California do) will find it hard to compete. Second, there is no infrastructure leading to/from potential desalinization sites - right now that infrastructure is oriented towards the Sierra's and the Colorado River. To implement a new system would be extremely costly. And third, desalinization plants suck an enormous amount of water from generally shallow waters, causing huge impacts to underwater ecosystems that are already under incredible pressure.

The real solution is for the world to stop having babies, move near reliable fresh water sources, and re-evaluate the ways in which we currently use water. For example, we should be strongly encouraging people to eliminate, or limit their "grass" yards in favor of a more natural habit, limit water consumption for residences, only flush toilets on a deuce, etc.
 
WestHartHusk said:
Desalinization presents three significant problems. First, it is really expensive to set up and operate a desalinization plant. Any locale that is going to run agriculture off desalinization (like you are proposing California do) will find it hard to compete. Second, there is no infrastructure leading to/from potential desalinization sites - right now that infrastructure is oriented towards the Sierra's and the Colorado River. To implement a new system would be extremely costly. And third, desalinization plants suck an enormous amount of water from generally shallow waters, causing huge impacts to underwater ecosystems that are already under incredible pressure.

The real solution is for the world to stop having babies, move near reliable fresh water sources, and re-evaluate the ways in which we currently use water. For example, we should be strongly encouraging people to eliminate, or limit their "grass" yards in favor of a more natural habit, limit water consumption for residences, only flush toilets on a deuce, etc.
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Looks like Californians are desperate enough to not worry about your three concerns.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-ocean-desalination-plant-drinking-water-in-san-diego/

What will be the largest water desalination plant in the Western Hemisphere has been built in San Diego.
The $1 billion plant, being built by a private company, will suck in 100 million gallons of water per day from the Pacific Ocean, strip out the salt using an elaborate filtration system and turn it into 50 million gallons of drinking water, enough for 300,000 San Diego County residents.
"There is no more cheap water available," said Sandy Kerl, who currently runs the San Diego Water Authority.

And to citizens who may complain that water prices are going to be too high, Kerl says, "if you go and turn on your faucet and no water comes out is that water too expensive? If you don't have it, it's not too expensive."
 
WestHartHusk said:
we should be strongly encouraging people to . . . only flush toilets on a deuce, etc.
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This kind of thinking is not going to get us into the P5. How about UConn hires some desalinization researchers and we make a play for the PAC?
 
WestHartHusk said:
Desalinization presents three significant problems. First, it is really expensive to set up and operate a desalinization plant. Any locale that is going to run agriculture off desalinization (like you are proposing California do) will find it hard to compete. Second, there is no infrastructure leading to/from potential desalinization sites - right now that infrastructure is oriented towards the Sierra's and the Colorado River. To implement a new system would be extremely costly. And third, desalinization plants suck an enormous amount of water from generally shallow waters, causing huge impacts to underwater ecosystems that are already under incredible pressure.

The real solution is for the world to stop having babies, move near reliable fresh water sources, and re-evaluate the ways in which we currently use water. For example, we should be strongly encouraging people to eliminate, or limit their "grass" yards in favor of a more natural habit, limit water consumption for residences, only flush toilets on a deuce, etc.
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Many people try to do their part by exercising public urination. However, for some reason, civil jurisdictions fight this measure with fascist citations.
 
WestHartHusk said:
Desalinization presents three significant problems. First, it is really expensive to set up and operate a desalinization plant. Any locale that is going to run agriculture off desalinization (like you are proposing California do) will find it hard to compete. Second, there is no infrastructure leading to/from potential desalinization sites - right now that infrastructure is oriented towards the Sierra's and the Colorado River. To implement a new system would be extremely costly. And third, desalinization plants suck an enormous amount of water from generally shallow waters, causing huge impacts to underwater ecosystems that are already under incredible pressure.

The real solution is for the world to stop having babies, move near reliable fresh water sources, and re-evaluate the ways in which we currently use water. For example, we should be strongly encouraging people to eliminate, or limit their "grass" yards in favor of a more natural habit, limit water consumption for residences, only flush toilets on a deuce, etc.
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If it's yellow, let it mellow.
If it's brown, flush it down.
 
I have never had desalinated water. Is it gross to drink?
 
WestHartHusk said:
Desalinization presents three significant problems. First, it is really expensive to set up and operate a desalinization plant. Any locale that is going to run agriculture off desalinization (like you are proposing California do) will find it hard to compete. Second, there is no infrastructure leading to/from potential desalinization sites - right now that infrastructure is oriented towards the Sierra's and the Colorado River. To implement a new system would be extremely costly. And third, desalinization plants suck an enormous amount of water from generally shallow waters, causing huge impacts to underwater ecosystems that are already under incredible pressure.

The real solution is for the world to stop having babies, move near reliable fresh water sources, and re-evaluate the ways in which we currently use water. For example, we should be strongly encouraging people to eliminate, or limit their "grass" yards in favor of a more natural habit, limit water consumption for residences, only flush toilets on a deuce, etc.
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We do not need to stop having babies. The entire world's population would fit in an area the size of Maryland. The problem, as is with many things, is the distribution and utilization of land and resources.

I agree that desalinization is not a great long-term solution with current technology and infrastructure.
 
Fishy said:
When the drought takes out the Pac-12, cholesterol takes out the SEC, hurricanes reduces the ACC and Chevys with bad brakes wipes out the Big Ten, we are gonna be sittin' pretty.
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This is precisely the macro thinking that has me accumulating property all over the star registry.
 
And somehow the Southwest's drought will be turned into yet another UConn NCAA violation...
 
Fishy said:
When the drought takes out the Pac-12, cholesterol takes out the SEC, hurricanes reduces the ACC and Chevys with bad brakes wipes out the Big Ten, we are gonna be sittin' pretty.
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But what will we do around here when folks run out of stuff to complain about?...
 
nelsonmuntz said:
I have never had desalinated water. Is it gross to drink?
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It can be. Depends what minerals are added in after the process. The process can make pure water which is way different than what we drink out of the tap or out of a bottle. Any potable water that comes via the desalinisation process has additives.

A basic primer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distilled_water
 
Fishy said:
When the drought takes out the Pac-12, cholesterol takes out the SEC, hurricanes reduces the ACC and Chevys with bad brakes wipes out the Big Ten, we are gonna be sittin' pretty.
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Does anybody have an extra tin-foil hat... I didn't get one when they were passing these things out!
 
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