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scheduling opportunity for us? I would love to explore a relationship with OR St + WA St, as we are effectively in the same boat now, with this announcement. Without the Mountain West alliance, they join us in the independent ranks.
 
personally i don't see 6 more teams joining those 2 schools to keep the conference alive.
I read that NCAA gives them 2 years to reach the 8-team minimum.

as i understood it, the only keeping it alive is the $265 Million piggy bank left behind by the legacy conference members. Hell of a runway for the 2 schools, but what do they really have to offer otherwise?

I would love to see the Pac-12 rise from the ashes but I also would have loved to see UConn beat Maryland lol.
If anyone has interesting theories on how Pac-12 makes it to the future, i would love to hear it.

I really really think UConn (football) needs to get on the phone and figure something out to work together with these 2 programs; they may feel like they're still P5 programs and give us the cold shoulder but you have to try, i would think.
 
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Jetskies said:
I really really think UConn (football) needs to get on the phone and figure something out to work together with these 2 programs; they may give us the cold shoulder but you have to try, i would think.
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Mora has family ties in Oregon (his brother lives in Bend). No reason why they can't figure out a home and home, although not exactly a fertile ground for recruiting to the Northeast, nor are there lots of alums out that way. Washington State is in the middle of nowhere, not interested
 
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Assuming Calford isn't coming back, I would have thought a pure merger with MWC (taking the PAC branding) would probably be the solution? But assuming they can pick and choose, something like this might not suck:

Washington St
Oregon St
SDSU
Boise St
UNLV
Utah State
Gonzaga (no football)
St Mary's (no football)
Hawaii (football only)
UConn (football only)

Keeps the geography (outside UConn, obviously) tightly packed, hits many states and major markets. Utah St could be swapped for Fresno St or Nevada easily enough. Toss in San Francisco as a solid NorCal basketball brand if needed.

Only 7 conference football games so UConn wouldn't get completely destroyed by travel.

MWC lives on as another 8-team conference or can add from the countless Texas schools, Tulsa, New Mexico St, maybe they can convince some schools from FCS in the SDSU/NDSU realm to jump.
 
Jetskies said:
personally i don't see 6 more teams joining those 2 schools to keep the conference alive.
I read that NCAA gives them 2 years to reach the 8-team minimum.

as i understood it, the only keeping it alive is the $265 Million piggy bank left behind by the legacy conference members. Hell of a runway for the 2 schools, but what do they really have to offer otherwise?

I would love to see the Pac-12 rise from the ashes but I also would have loved to see UConn beat Maryland lol.
If anyone has interesting theories on how Pac-12 makes it to the future, i would love to hear it.

I really really think UConn (football) needs to get on the phone and figure something out to work together with these 2 programs; they may feel like they're still P5 programs and give us the cold shoulder but you have to try, i would think.
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I suspect that if they didn’t have an idea about at least 6 teams then they would have renewed.
 
dvegas said:
Mora has family ties in Oregon (his brother lives in Bend). No reason why they can't figure out a home and home, although not exactly a fertile ground for recruiting to the Northeast, nor are there lots of alums out that way. Washington State is in the middle of nowhere, not interested
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fair points. my perspective on this is that it doesn't matter where the opponent is, but rather is it a quality-enough program who is also not impossibly talented, such that it's a body-bag game. I believe that these 2 programs fit the bill. They're barely P4 at this point, and their brand cache will fall, the longer they linger outside of a P4 conference (not P5 because even a renewed Pac12 will be a G5 with a shiny nameplate, at best - their stock will still fall)

they are still legacy power programs with respectable football quality, who a "hypothetically" good UConn team has a chance against. 8/31/24's UConn team would have no chance against either of them.
 
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ZooCougar said:
I suspect that if they didn’t have an idea about at least 6 teams then they would have renewed.
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eh.

that suspicion assumes the 2 sides were on equal footing during the talks. I find it hardddd to imagine that a zombie conference of 2 teams with a ticking NCAA-compliance-time-bomb, had any leverage or higher-ground against a complete and satisfied, quality G5 conference commish & staff.

I've said it before, MW is the best G5 conference - quality teams/brands, sensible geography, mostly competitive games top-to-bottom. Any one of those teams is IMO within striking distance of a Big 12 invite, and some are there already (Boise St, SDSU). They know this about themselves and are being careful about keeping that fraternity together and surviving realignment as a unit. wherever one goes, they all go.

ORST / WAST 's star is fading fast, and will accelerate the longer they are not in one of the remaining P4 conferences (pac12 2.0 doesn't count, it would be a glorified G5).

IMO Mountain West has the power and decided the value wasn't there.
 
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Jetskies said:
eh.

that suspicion assumes the 2 sides were on equal footing during the talks. I find it hardddd to imagine that a zombie conference of 2 teams with a ticking NCAA-compliance-time-bomb, had any leverage or higher-ground against a complete and satisfied, quality G5 conference commish & staff.

I've said it before, MW is the best G5 conference - quality teams/brands, sensible geography, mostly competitive games top-to-bottom. Any one of those teams is IMO within striking distance of a Big 12 invite, and some are there already (Boise St, SDSU). They know this about themselves and are being careful about keeping that fraternity together and surviving realignment as a unit. wherever one goes, they all go.

ORST / WAST 's star is fading fast, and will accelerate the longer they are not in one of the remaining P4 conferences (pac12 2.0 doesn't count, it would be a glorified G5).

IMO Mountain West has the power and decided the value wasn't there.
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I think you are wrong. The MWC isn’t solid. There plenty of fissures.
 
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ZooCougar said:
I think you are wrong. The MWC isn’t solid. There plenty of fissures.
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fair - my claims on the level of the MW are 100% debatable. That said, i don't think the negotiation was on an even level. regardless of the MW's qualitiy, only one of the parties in that talk was in a position of strength. I do not believe that party was the pac-2.
 
Suspect UConn would prefer away games in areas recruiting is focused and limiting cross county treks. Same same for OSU and Wazzu.

However, if the price was right or OSU or Wazzu agreed to home-and-aways, our Huskies have available away ‘25, ‘26 and ‘27 spots. Least likely in ‘26 given UConn’s existing away game with Wyoming. Alternatively, perhaps game trading opportunities may exist with other schools.

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Jetskies said:
eh.

that suspicion assumes the 2 sides were on equal footing during the talks. I find it hardddd to imagine that a zombie conference of 2 teams with a ticking NCAA-compliance-time-bomb, had any leverage or higher-ground against a complete and satisfied, quality G5 conference commish & staff.

I've said it before, MW is the best G5 conference - quality teams/brands, sensible geography, mostly competitive games top-to-bottom. Any one of those teams is IMO within striking distance of a Big 12 invite, and some are there already (Boise St, SDSU). They know this about themselves and are being careful about keeping that fraternity together and surviving realignment as a unit. wherever one goes, they all go.

ORST / WAST 's star is fading fast, and will accelerate the longer they are not in one of the remaining P4 conferences (pac12 2.0 doesn't count, it would be a glorified G5).

IMO Mountain West has the power and decided the value wasn't there.
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OrSt/WaSt are easily more valuable than most of the MW.

Schools always want a chance to dump the dead weight and make a stronger conference.

I see the Pac 2.0 as adding Boise, SDSU, ColSt, , Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, and 3 of these: SJST/Fresno/Nevada/UNLV/UtahSt, leaving New Mexico, Wyoming, and Hawaii behind.
 
Jetskies said:
eh.

that suspicion assumes the 2 sides were on equal footing during the talks. I find it hardddd to imagine that a zombie conference of 2 teams with a ticking NCAA-compliance-time-bomb, had any leverage or higher-ground against a complete and satisfied, quality G5 conference commish & staff.

I've said it before, MW is the best G5 conference - quality teams/brands, sensible geography, mostly competitive games top-to-bottom. Any one of those teams is IMO within striking distance of a Big 12 invite, and some are there already (Boise St, SDSU). They know this about themselves and are being careful about keeping that fraternity together and surviving realignment as a unit. wherever one goes, they all go.

ORST / WAST 's star is fading fast, and will accelerate the longer they are not in one of the remaining P4 conferences (pac12 2.0 doesn't count, it would be a glorified G5).

IMO Mountain West has the power and decided the value wasn't there.
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ZooCougar said:
I think you are wrong. The MWC isn’t solid. There plenty of fissures.
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I told you.
 
ZooCougar said:
I told you.
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bummer! I was selfishly hoping for a weakened Or St / WA St, for an opportunity for us.
if they figure out the 8 teams, there goes the idea.

UConn gets kicked again in the nuts!
 
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Jetskies said:
bummer! I was selfishly hoping for a weakened Or St / WA St, for an opportunity for us.
if they figure out the 8 teams, there goes the idea.

UConn gets kicked again in the nuts!
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This might have 2nd and 3rd wave ripple effects. Unless Cal and Stanford decide to leave ACC don’t see how this effects UConn.

And, I don’t see how Cal and Stanford leave AcC anytime soon. Maybe a landing if ACC blows up.
If they did join, it would mean the league has 4 former P4 members.,,

Will all come down to money. Always does. Unless it’s UConn. In that case it’s fb.
 
Jetskies said:
bummer! I was selfishly hoping for a weakened Or St / WA St, for an opportunity for us.
if they figure out the 8 teams, there goes the idea.

UConn gets kicked again in the nuts!
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Once this happened I knew something was going down.
 
uconnyankee said:
This might have 2nd and 3rd wave ripple effects. Unless Cal and Stanford decide to leave ACC don’t see how this effects UConn.

And, I don’t see how Cal and Stanford leave AcC anytime soon. Maybe a landing if ACC blows up.
If they did join, it would mean the league has 4 former P4 members.,,

Will all come down to money. Always does. Unless it’s UConn. In that case it’s fb.
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The knock on effect is that the AAC is going to get proactive and maybe try to snag some MWC schools.

Literally when this is all said and done Utah State, New Mexico and Wyoming might be walking hat in hand to the CUSA offices.
 
ZooCougar said:
The knock on effect is that the AAC is going to get proactive and maybe try to snag some MWC schools.

Literally when this is all said and done Utah State, New Mexico and Wyoming might be walking hat in hand to the CUSA offices.
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Wyoming will go Big Sky if the MW falls apart.

Big Sky has a lot of schools who are well ahead of programs like those in the MAC who have 5-10k people at games. Montana gets 30k. Wyoming has similar fan support to UConn in FB.


It's really dumb for schools like CSU to try to be the bottom of the P-4/5. Schools like Boise have no business trying to compete as beyond FB they are more D-2 than "power". Sad to see yet another conference ruined.
 
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B12 said:
Schools like Boise have no business trying to compete as beyond FB they are more D-2 than "power".
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They've had reasonable success in both men's and women's hoops in the Mountain West. Not even close to being a D2 level program.
 
B12 said:
Wyoming will go Big Sky if the MW falls apart.

Big Sky has a lot of schools who are well ahead of programs like those in the MAC who have 5-10k people at games. Montana gets 30k. Wyoming has similar fan support to UConn in FB.


It's really dumb for schools like CSU to try to be the bottom of the P-4/5. Schools like Boise have no business trying to compete as beyond FB they are more D-2 than "power". Sad to see yet another conference ruined.
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Big Sky is FCS dum dum.
 
ZooCougar said:
Big Sky is FCS dum dum.
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i kinda follow what B12 was saying. a school like wyoming, with no premier sports programs and located in a forgotten corner of America (Laramie, WY) is likely not in a position to survive as an FBS independent. Nor is it worth their time and money to have to go play in a C-USA or something. MW was the perfect marriage for them, and honestly the only sensible situation for them to have an FBS team.

If MW dies and there is no home for them, I would be surprised if they try to make a similar run at independence. They were never relevant in FBS, so no reason to keep it. Go play montana, montana state, and idaho. those should be excellent games with great fan interest
 
Jetskies said:
i kinda follow what B12 was saying. a school like wyoming, with no premier sports programs and located in a forgotten corner of America (Laramie, WY) is likely not in a position to survive as an FBS independent. Nor is it worth their time and money to have to go play in a C-USA or something. MW was the perfect marriage for them, and honestly the only sensible situation for them to have an FBS team.

If MW dies and there is no home for them, I would be surprised if they try to make a similar run at independence. They were never relevant in FBS, so no reason to keep it. Go play montana, montana state, and idaho. those should be excellent games with great fan interest
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He’s a troll. You don’t want to follow anything he says..

Wyoming has had a better program than UConn.

What pray tell do you have in mind for UConn?
 
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