Maybe they sniff around some other independents?They're going to reform the Pac-12 as a best of the rest conference.. just a matter of which teams from the MWC & AAC they grab.
Mora has family ties in Oregon (his brother lives in Bend). No reason why they can't figure out a home and home, although not exactly a fertile ground for recruiting to the Northeast, nor are there lots of alums out that way. Washington State is in the middle of nowhere, not interestedI really really think UConn (football) needs to get on the phone and figure something out to work together with these 2 programs; they may give us the cold shoulder but you have to try, i would think.
UConn for football, Gonzaga for everything else would be an arrangement I'd be plenty happy with. If it would require a men's and/or women's basketball schedule agreement, toss in a game a year too. And we can play Oregon St in baseball.Maybe they sniff around some other independents?
Washington St |
Oregon St |
SDSU |
Boise St |
UNLV |
Utah State |
Gonzaga (no football) |
St Mary's (no football) |
Hawaii (football only) |
UConn (football only) |
personally i don't see 6 more teams joining those 2 schools to keep the conference alive.
I read that NCAA gives them 2 years to reach the 8-team minimum.
as i understood it, the only keeping it alive is the $265 Million piggy bank left behind by the legacy conference members. Hell of a runway for the 2 schools, but what do they really have to offer otherwise?
I would love to see the Pac-12 rise from the ashes but I also would have loved to see UConn beat Maryland lol.
If anyone has interesting theories on how Pac-12 makes it to the future, i would love to hear it.
I really really think UConn (football) needs to get on the phone and figure something out to work together with these 2 programs; they may feel like they're still P5 programs and give us the cold shoulder but you have to try, i would think.
fair points. my perspective on this is that it doesn't matter where the opponent is, but rather is it a quality-enough program who is also not impossibly talented, such that it's a body-bag game. I believe that these 2 programs fit the bill. They're barely P4 at this point, and their brand cache will fall, the longer they linger outside of a P4 conference (not P5 because even a renewed Pac12 will be a G5 with a shiny nameplate, at best - their stock will still fall)Mora has family ties in Oregon (his brother lives in Bend). No reason why they can't figure out a home and home, although not exactly a fertile ground for recruiting to the Northeast, nor are there lots of alums out that way. Washington State is in the middle of nowhere, not interested
eh.I suspect that if they didn’t have an idea about at least 6 teams then they would have renewed.
eh.
that suspicion assumes the 2 sides were on equal footing during the talks. I find it hardddd to imagine that a zombie conference of 2 teams with a ticking NCAA-compliance-time-bomb, had any leverage or higher-ground against a complete and satisfied, quality G5 conference commish & staff.
I've said it before, MW is the best G5 conference - quality teams/brands, sensible geography, mostly competitive games top-to-bottom. Any one of those teams is IMO within striking distance of a Big 12 invite, and some are there already (Boise St, SDSU). They know this about themselves and are being careful about keeping that fraternity together and surviving realignment as a unit. wherever one goes, they all go.
ORST / WAST 's star is fading fast, and will accelerate the longer they are not in one of the remaining P4 conferences (pac12 2.0 doesn't count, it would be a glorified G5).
IMO Mountain West has the power and decided the value wasn't there.
fair - my claims on the level of the MW are 100% debatable. That said, i don't think the negotiation was on an even level. regardless of the MW's qualitiy, only one of the parties in that talk was in a position of strength. I do not believe that party was the pac-2.I think you are wrong. The MWC isn’t solid. There plenty of fissures.
OrSt/WaSt are easily more valuable than most of the MW.eh.
that suspicion assumes the 2 sides were on equal footing during the talks. I find it hardddd to imagine that a zombie conference of 2 teams with a ticking NCAA-compliance-time-bomb, had any leverage or higher-ground against a complete and satisfied, quality G5 conference commish & staff.
I've said it before, MW is the best G5 conference - quality teams/brands, sensible geography, mostly competitive games top-to-bottom. Any one of those teams is IMO within striking distance of a Big 12 invite, and some are there already (Boise St, SDSU). They know this about themselves and are being careful about keeping that fraternity together and surviving realignment as a unit. wherever one goes, they all go.
ORST / WAST 's star is fading fast, and will accelerate the longer they are not in one of the remaining P4 conferences (pac12 2.0 doesn't count, it would be a glorified G5).
IMO Mountain West has the power and decided the value wasn't there.
The PacMac? Some Tuesday night Pacmaction?Could the PAC 2 merge with the MAC?
eh.
that suspicion assumes the 2 sides were on equal footing during the talks. I find it hardddd to imagine that a zombie conference of 2 teams with a ticking NCAA-compliance-time-bomb, had any leverage or higher-ground against a complete and satisfied, quality G5 conference commish & staff.
I've said it before, MW is the best G5 conference - quality teams/brands, sensible geography, mostly competitive games top-to-bottom. Any one of those teams is IMO within striking distance of a Big 12 invite, and some are there already (Boise St, SDSU). They know this about themselves and are being careful about keeping that fraternity together and surviving realignment as a unit. wherever one goes, they all go.
ORST / WAST 's star is fading fast, and will accelerate the longer they are not in one of the remaining P4 conferences (pac12 2.0 doesn't count, it would be a glorified G5).
IMO Mountain West has the power and decided the value wasn't there.
I think you are wrong. The MWC isn’t solid. There plenty of fissures.
bummer! I was selfishly hoping for a weakened Or St / WA St, for an opportunity for us.I told you.
I think this new Pac12 just helps UConn get into the ACC/B12bummer! I was selfishly hoping for a weakened Or St / WA St, for an opportunity for us.
if they figure out the 8 teams, there goes the idea.
UConn gets kicked again in the nuts!
Good callThey're going to reform the Pac-12 as a best of the rest conference.. just a matter of which teams from the MWC & AAC they grab.
This might have 2nd and 3rd wave ripple effects. Unless Cal and Stanford decide to leave ACC don’t see how this effects UConn.bummer! I was selfishly hoping for a weakened Or St / WA St, for an opportunity for us.
if they figure out the 8 teams, there goes the idea.
UConn gets kicked again in the nuts!
bummer! I was selfishly hoping for a weakened Or St / WA St, for an opportunity for us.
if they figure out the 8 teams, there goes the idea.
UConn gets kicked again in the nuts!
This might have 2nd and 3rd wave ripple effects. Unless Cal and Stanford decide to leave ACC don’t see how this effects UConn.
And, I don’t see how Cal and Stanford leave AcC anytime soon. Maybe a landing if ACC blows up.
If they did join, it would mean the league has 4 former P4 members.,,
Will all come down to money. Always does. Unless it’s UConn. In that case it’s fb.
Wyoming will go Big Sky if the MW falls apart.The knock on effect is that the AAC is going to get proactive and maybe try to snag some MWC schools.
Literally when this is all said and done Utah State, New Mexico and Wyoming might be walking hat in hand to the CUSA offices.
They've had reasonable success in both men's and women's hoops in the Mountain West. Not even close to being a D2 level program.Schools like Boise have no business trying to compete as beyond FB they are more D-2 than "power".