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Pac 12 as we know it: 23-24 Season Outlook

LoTrader said:
Top to Bottom the PAC-12 is tough. No PAC-12 Team will be undefeated in the regular season.
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For sure. I have a hard time seeing anyone get thru with only 1 or 2 losses. Conference champ could have 3 at least.
 
LoTrader said:
Top to Bottom the PAC-12 is tough. No PAC-12 Team will be undefeated in the regular season.
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Not many D-1 programs have had undefeated regular seasons. There have been nine undefeated national champions: UConn six times (1995, 2002, 2009, 2010, 2014, 2016), Texas (1986), Tennessee (1998), Baylor (2012). South Carolina went undefeated in the regular season last year. As best I can tell no PAC-12 team has ever finished undefeated in regular season. Stanford went undefeated in PAC-12 conference play eight times (1989, 1996, 1997, 2002, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2022); Oregon finished conference play undefeated three times (1979, 1980, 1982) and USC went undefeated once (1986).

But agree the PAC-12 has many strong teams as evidenced by Colorado’s and USC’s wins yesterday. Unlikely any team emerges undefeated in conference play.
 
jake0414 said:
Not many D-1 programs have had undefeated regular seasons. There have been nine undefeated national champions: UConn six times (1995, 2002, 2009, 2010, 2014, 2016), Texas (1986), Tennessee (1998), Baylor (2012). South Carolina went undefeated in the regular season last year. As best I can tell no PAC-12 team has ever finished undefeated in regular season. Stanford went undefeated in PAC-12 conference play eight times (1989, 1996, 1997, 2002, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2022); Oregon finished conference play undefeated three times (1979, 1980, 1982) and USC went undefeated once (1986).

But agree the PAC-12 has many strong teams as evidenced by Colorado’s and USC’s wins yesterday. Unlikely any team emerges undefeated in conference play.
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I'm almost certain he's referring to conference play only as far as going undefeated for Pac schools.
 
With Peyton Scott out for the season, the Ducks had to scramble the rotation a bit. Senior transfer Kennedi Williams started at PG but Chance Gray logged more minutes there. The other four starters were all in double figures with VanSlooten and Kyei recording double doubles. Ducks hit 47% from 3 with Gray and Bell combining for 9-18. Frosh Rambus and Wagner were the primary subs.
Although very young (3 Frosh, 2 Sophs in the current 7 player rotation) this team should make some noise and a run at the playoffs. The much improved and more aggressive offensively 6' 8" Phillipina Kyei is like the key.
 
Floridaduck said:
With Peyton Scott out for the season, the Ducks had to scramble the rotation a bit. Senior transfer Kennedi Williams started at PG but Chance Gray logged more minutes there. The other four starters were all in double figures with VanSlooten and Kyei recording double doubles. Ducks hit 47% from 3 with Gray and Bell combining for 9-18. Frosh Rambus and Wagner were the primary subs.
Although very young (3 Frosh, 2 Sophs in the current 7 player rotation) this team should make some noise and a run at the playoffs. The much improved and more aggressive offensively 6' 8" Phillipina Kyei is like the key.
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Hoping to see progress in Kyei this season. Surprised she didn't make the SWNT for AmeriCup. Would have liked to see her go up against players like Reese to see how she would have fared.
 
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Oregon St. gonna win a pick em game against Villanova. Of course Nova isn't the same team w/out Siegrist, but decent win for the Beavs.

Stanford is DESTROYING Indiana at the half.

Pac is looking really tough so far.
 
Pac-12 is currently 24-0 but don't look now - giant killer Colorado is losing to Oklahoma State (by 7) late in the third- at home!
 
cancontent said:
Hoping to see progress in Kyei this season. Surprised she didn't make the SWNT for AmeriCup. Would have liked to see her go up against players like Reese to see how she would have fared.
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Two straight double/doubles so far. Very good passing, better rebounding, really working on her right hand finishing.
 
Okie St. put a scare into Colorado, but the Buffs pulled away late. I looked a few minutes ago and it was tied, now CU is up 12 under a minute left.
 
You could pretty much make an all star team of former Arizona players. Vonleh is really playing well at Colorado. Asi is lightining it up this year for Oklahoma St. Conner has been killing it for TCU. I think there are probably several others. I don't know what Barnes is doing there, but her revolving door of players doesn't seem to be working great. It's been pretty meh in Tucson ever since McDonald left.
 
The entire 2016 Oregon St. team (Final 4 year) was inducted into their Hall of Fame. Several key members were unable to attend the weekends festivities though due to currently playing overseas. Hamblin, Wiese, Gulich.
 
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I understand all the caveats about methodology BUT:

This morning's Massey has 8 Pac-12 teams in the Top 25 (Massey Ratings - College Basketball Women's : NCAA D1 Ratings) and Oregon State sitting at #26.

By conference There is a big gap:
Pac-12 27-0 Power Rating 8.42
ACC 28-5 Power Rating 8.11
SEC 29-5 Power Rating 8.07
Big 10 23-6 Power Rating 7.97
Big 12 23-3 Power Rating 7.57

Massey Ratings - College Basketball Women's : NCAA D1 Ratings

Computer ratings and rankings for CBW (College Basketball Women's), with links to team predictions, scores, and schedules.
masseyratings.com masseyratings.com

Next big test for conference schools is Utah @ Baylor on Tuesday.
 
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Floridaduck said:
I understand all the caveats about methodology BUT:

This morning's Massey has 8 Pac-12 teams in the Top 25 (Massey Ratings - College Basketball Women's : NCAA D1 Ratings) and Oregon State sitting at #26.

By conference There is a big gap:
Pac-12 27-0 Power Rating 8.42
ACC 28-5 Power Rating 8.11
SEC 29-5 Power Rating 8.07
Big 10 23-6 Power Rating 7.97
Big 12 23-3 Power Rating 7.57

Massey Ratings - College Basketball Women's : NCAA D1 Ratings

Computer ratings and rankings for CBW (College Basketball Women's), with links to team predictions, scores, and schedules.
masseyratings.com masseyratings.com

Next big test for conference schools is Utah @ Baylor or Tuesday.
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I guess the conference will at least be going out on a high note? I'd love to see a Pac-12 school win this year's natty, though probably not U$C or FUCLA...
 
TheFarmFan said:
I guess the conference will at least be going out on a high note? I'd love to see a Pac-12 school win this year's natty, though probably not U$C or FUCLA...
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Well, I don't want to see anybody but us win the natty, I wouldn't mind seeing 3 in the final four. If Oregon State and Washington State can't make that three I would chose one of each future conference, Stanford, UCLA and Utah.
 
I want the All Coast Conference to add OSU & WSU. Then I will do a happy dance with my favorite Dukie on this board
 
Well my first game ever at MKA in Eugene. I was able to view a team that shot 80% from 3 in the first half. Not the Ducks unfortunately. Ducks lose to Santa Clara (!) at home by 39 (!).
I have concluded that I just watched the likely 12th place team in the Pac-12.
 
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Floridaduck said:
I have concluded that I just watched the likely 12th place team in the Pac-12.
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Nah, Arizona St. has that locked down. Cal should be 11th. You're looking at 10th at worst probably.
 
Floridaduck said:
Well my first game ever at MKA in Eugene. I was able to view a team that shot 80% from 3 in the first half. Not the Ducks unfortunately. Ducks lose to Santa Clara (!) at home by 39 (!).
I have concluded that I just watched the likely 12th place team in the Pac-12.
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Geez. Sorry you had to see THAT game. I watched the highlights because I thought the score was not reported correctly. Absolutely insane 3-pt shooting by Santa Clara. OSU plays Santa Clara in December--will have some film to study from the game vs Ducks. I think this will help UO to improve their perimeter defense.
 
Watched the Arizona-South Dakota game and I noticed a couple things.

1) Breya Cunningham looks to be in much better shape than what I saw of her in high school. That pair, Cunningham and Nnaji could be a formidable front court soon enough.

2) Jada Williams looks like a pretty good point guard, though still developing. But she doesn't look as quick as she did in high school. Against D1 competition, she looks ordinary. Perhaps that will change over the next couple seasons.
 
PAC-12 conference games are going to be must see TV. I wonder if I have Pac-12 network.
 
In the USC-Penn St game, #8 USC squeaks past an unranked team thanks to JuJu's heroics. This does not bode well for the Trojans. Even if JuJu can carry them to a few good wins, they will go nowhere in March.
 
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Bone Dog said:
In the USC-Penn St game, #8 USC squeaks past an unranked team thanks to JuJu's heroics. This does not bode well for the Trojans. Even if JuJu can carry them to a few good wins, they will go nowhere in March.
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I think it’s going to take a while for the Trojans to mesh. Juju bailed her team out after they let Penn State make its run scoring 14 straight to go up by 6 points 70-64 with 2 minutes remaining after being down by 8 at the 8:30 mark in Q4. Juju then scored USC’s last seven points to regain the lead 71-70. If Juju gets into foul trouble and leaves the floor USC’s offense loses any flow. I expect it will improve as the season progresses but the heavy dependence on Watkins will result in some losses in conference play. Are the Trojans a top ten team? Based on the games I’ve seen I question it but many other ranked teams have either lost unexpectedly or barely beat teams that they expected to defeat easily so it’s hard to say this early.
 
Bone Dog said:
In the USC-Penn St game, #8 USC squeaks past an unranked team thanks to JuJu's heroics. This does not bode well for the Trojans. Even if JuJu can carry them to a few good wins, they will go nowhere in March.
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Maybe Penn St. is good? They beat a Kansas team who just gave Virginia Tech all they could handle.

Are we forgetting USC handled Ohio St.?
 
jake0414 said:
I expect it will improve as the season progresses but the heavy dependence on Watkins will result in some losses in conference play.
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You're probably right. But in my experience, heavy dependence on one star tends to make the rest of the team worse, not better.
 
Bone Dog said:
You're probably right. But in my experience, heavy dependence on one star tends to make the rest of the team worse, not better.
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Like Iowa last year? :rolleyes:
 
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