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Ozark: Season 4 (spoilers)

Deepster said:
I think the yawns might be a bit presumptive. Most series need to lay groundwork early for the big payoff and I'd be shocked if the ending here was lame. I have my issues with this season (thus the thread) but I don't think I'd yawn yet. Just my two cents.
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I think I am just disconnecting. The pace of the last 2 shows is off the charts

And Julia Garner's final scenes were epic and so worth watching. She is amazing. Another Emmy comin'.
 
Dove said:
I think I am just disconnecting. The pace of the last 2 shows is off the charts

And Julia Garner's final scenes were epic and so worth watching. She is amazing. Another Emmy comin'.
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She is gold. There are some great performances on this show but without her this show is average at best.
 
Ok. Finished it last night.

3.5 seasons in and the Byrds have suffered the least out of this whole deal. They aren’t quite in Mary Sue territory because in my opinion they are defined by their will to survive, but at this point anyone in the Byrd clan suffers won’t seem at all like a tragedy. Particularly when they are trying to profit from the plight with their ersatz foundation which makes nothing. But north facing windows!

Which I think is the source of Ruth’s rage. I mean they could have done the smart thing and stopped growing when they were politely asked too.
 
I thought it was a really well done season. I thought the first half of the season was going to end with what led up to the crash in the opening scene of episode 1. I guess we have to wait and see how that unfolds. It seemed like whatever dysfunction that was going on within the family was resolved at that point because it seemed like everybody was happy. I don’t know how they could wrap things up, but knowing how this show has been, Im sure there will be a few surprises. And, don’t be surprised if it ends on a not so happy ending.
 
The great performance by Ruth, I just read an article which discussed how Wendy (Laura Linney) blundered and was mouthing the words as Ruth spoke them. I actually noticed this but didn't think too much of it.

"The user suggested: “Maybe this scene with Ruth was so good they didn’t want to use any other take lol.”"
 
Rewatching and on Season 3. Episode 3:1 Wendy decided to help Navarro go legit by getting into the casino biz. Marty disagreed. I think that's where the two went in separate directions. Marty just wants to get out and Wendy feels the action is the juice

Wendy: He likes the plan. It doesn't mean we're obligated.
Marty: Yes, it does.

This reply by Wendy in 3:6 is pure gold. The fight lays it all on the line.

 
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Just watched episodes 8 and 9 of season 4. I'll probably come back after I complete the season so as not to spoil it for myself. That said, I am not a big fan so far.
 
Just watched the finale and feel like it doesn't do justice for the series......
 
Marat said:
Just watched the finale and feel like it doesn't do justice for the series......
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It ended with what was perhaps Marty's worst nightmare, so I thought justice was done.
 
Just finished it and I thought, while all of season 4 had some nits that I could pick at, the season, the ending and the series in total was very well done.

  • I guess there's no other way to end Ruth's storyline. You could see it coming with her starting to enjoy being legit, enjoying her successes and maybe getting stupid and letting her guard down. End of the day, she was the best Langmore...but in over her head in the game she was playing in.

  • I thought they did a nice job of reintroducing some characters from prior seasons. Ruth telling the feds to apologize to Rachel was a reminder of the dirty fed who used her...then Ruth's "cousin?" Russ Langmore playing guitar reminded you of some of the odd twists early on.

    Even Wendy's dad saying she was a nope made me remember the video of her having sex that Marty saw in season 1. I don't know. I felt like those subtle nods to early seasons was cool.

  • I also feel there's a Sopranos vibe to the end. They got away with it....or did they? Are they always in danger of someone paying them back for something at any point? Question on the car wreck. Seemed like it was "nothing"....but was that a hit that just didn't kill them? Is the point of that, that any time they relax and breathe easily.....something is waiting to take them out?
 
Deepster said:
Just finished it and I thought, while all of season 4 had some nits that I could pick at, the season, the ending and the series in total was very well done.

  • I guess there's no other way to end Ruth's storyline. You could see it coming with her starting to enjoy being legit, enjoying her successes and maybe getting stupid and letting her guard down. End of the day, she was the best Langmore...but in over her head in the game she was playing in.

  • I thought they did a nice job of reintroducing some characters from prior seasons. Ruth telling the feds to apologize to Rachel was a reminder of the dirty fed who used her...then Ruth's "cousin?" Russ Langmore playing guitar reminded you of some of the odd twists early on.

    Even Wendy's dad saying she was a nope made me remember the video of her having sex that Marty saw in season 1. I don't know. I felt like those subtle nods to early seasons was cool.

  • I also feel there's a Sopranos vibe to the end. They got away with it....or did they? Are they always in danger of someone paying them back for something at any point? Question on the car wreck. Seemed like it was "nothing"....but was that a hit that just didn't kill them? Is the point of that, that any time they relax and breathe easily.....something is waiting to take them out?
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Because of the spacing of the seasons and delay with covid, I honestly forgot a lot of the tidbits of previous seasons. I enjoyed the way it wrapped up but the car accident felt pointless. I thought maybe Wendy would be taken out. It's hard to really think Wendy cares about anyone other than herself.
 
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I enjoyed the show because i needed the fix after Breaking Bad ended but Ozark doesnt hold a candle to it. You really had to suspend your disbelief and just enjoy the show or youd tune out pretty early on. Overall entertaining 6.5/10
 
I thought it was a good ending. Ruth getting killed sucked, but she made her choices. I really wanted Wendy to did horribly, but in this sort of story the real villains have a better chance at survival. And she really was the worst. Evil always wins.

my nitpicks are really geographic. The characters flit around between KC, Chicago and Lake of the Ozarks like they have a teleportation device.

Overall, it was a good ending. I think it would have been interesting to see Marty left with no choice but to be the Cartel boss. But it ended credibly,

Are we 100% certain that Jonah shot the detective?
 
ZooCougar said:
Overall, it was a good ending. I think it would have been interesting to see Marty left with no choice but to be the Cartel boss. But it ended credibly,

Are we 100% certain that Jonah shot the detective?
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Only reason he wasnt killed when he stood in for Navarro was because of Navarro. No circumstance Marty would become the actual boss.
Yes. But if there is some spinoff someday we`ll likely get some lame scenario where he didnt shoot the PI.
 
Deepster said:
Just finished it and I thought, while all of season 4 had some nits that I could pick at, the season, the ending and the series in total was very well done.

  • I guess there's no other way to end Ruth's storyline. You could see it coming with her starting to enjoy being legit, enjoying her successes and maybe getting stupid and letting her guard down. End of the day, she was the best Langmore...but in over her head in the game she was playing in.

  • I thought they did a nice job of reintroducing some characters from prior seasons. Ruth telling the feds to apologize to Rachel was a reminder of the dirty fed who used her...then Ruth's "cousin?" Russ Langmore playing guitar reminded you of some of the odd twists early on.

    Even Wendy's dad saying she was a nope made me remember the video of her having sex that Marty saw in season 1. I don't know. I felt like those subtle nods to early seasons was cool.

  • I also feel there's a Sopranos vibe to the end. They got away with it....or did they? Are they always in danger of someone paying them back for something at any point? Question on the car wreck. Seemed like it was "nothing"....but was that a hit that just didn't kill them? Is the point of that, that any time they relax and breathe easily.....something is waiting to take them out?
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Great points. I thought it was a great finale to the series. They probably wanted to generate some intrigue with the final scene but I'm going with the most obvious. Ruth is a great character and was just too stubborn and stupid for her own good. Messing around with the KC mob and the Mexican drug cartel, you don't make the rules. Wyatt should have known Darlene was a goner. Ruth should have known she was a goner after what happened to Wyatt and Darlene. And then to leave the party early, drive home alone, see a Cadillac Escalade in your driveway. No danger here? Ruth got her family into trouble way back when she first stole mob money from the Byrde's motel room. She should have worshipped Marty and done everything he said, and she'd probably have done fine.
 
TheChamps990411 said:
Only reason he wasnt killed when he stood in for Navarro was because of Navarro. No circumstance Marty would become the actual boss.
Yes. But if there is some spinoff someday we`ll likely get some lame scenario where he didnt shoot the PI.
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I actually think there is a path to Marty becoming the boss. The guy is a genius at business and laundering money. He would have been more successful and profitable than Navarro. If he was down there long enough and made enriched the payouts to the Lieutenants then he could have convinced them enough to follow and then it would be in their vested interested to protect their golden goose.
 
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ZooCougar said:
I actually think there is a path to Marty becoming the boss. The guy is a genius at business and laundering money. He would have been more successful and profitable than Navarro. If he was down there long enough and made enriched the payouts to the Lieutenants then he could have convinced them enough to follow and then it would be in their vested interested to protect their golden goose.
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Perhaps. I don't think every cartel member is going to accept a gringo as his boss. But Camila did enter the scene late in the series so perhaps there is something to having Camila and Marty carry on for a while.
 
ZooCougar said:
I actually think there is a path to Marty becoming the boss. The guy is a genius at business and laundering money. He would have been more successful and profitable than Navarro. If he was down there long enough and made enriched the payouts to the Lieutenants then he could have convinced them enough to follow and then it would be in their vested interested to protect their golden goose.
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Sure. In a tv show. In reality? A gringo running one of the biggest cartels in the world by basically having it handed to him would never happen no matter how much money he was making. There would be too many people gunning for him and Marty isnt built for that. He wouldnt last long. I mean he couldnt even figure out who actually tried to take out Navarro when it was pretty obvious. Hes a business man, not a gangster.
 
TheChamps990411 said:
Sure. In a tv show. In reality? A gringo running one of the biggest cartels in the world by basically having it handed to him would never happen no matter how much money he was making. There would be too many people gunning for him and Marty isnt built for that. He wouldnt last long. I mean he couldnt even figure out who actually tried to take out Navarro when it was pretty obvious. Hes a business man, not a gangster.
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I love the Boneyard. You get expert analysis on pizzas, 2-3 zones and how to properly run a mexican drug cartel all in the same morning.
 
Deepster said:
I love the Boneyard. You get expert analysis on pizzas, 2-3 zones and how to properly run a mexican drug cartel all in the same morning.
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Nope. Didnt say anything about how to properly run a cartel but yes a gringo banker being the head of a mexican cartel is complete and utter nonsense. You dont need to be an expert or a member of any cartel to know this. Feel free to prove me wrong. But my main point was how on the show its made pretty clear Marty would not be able to run the cartel on his own and only did so under the protection of the cartel boss.
 
TheChamps990411 said:
Sure. In a tv show. In reality? A gringo running one of the biggest cartels in the world by basically having it handed to him would never happen no matter how much money he was making. There would be too many people gunning for him and Marty isnt built for that. He wouldnt last long. I mean he couldnt even figure out who actually tried to take out Navarro when it was pretty obvious. Hes a business man, not a gangster.
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He would have to have a Consigliere type for those matters. But he’s a smart adaptable guy who would grow into it, when he had no other options.
 
Deepster said:
I love the Boneyard. You get expert analysis on pizzas, 2-3 zones and how to properly run a mexican drug cartel all in the same morning.
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If they can tolerate a woman running the cartel then they can handle Marty Byrde.
 
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TheChamps990411 said:
Nope. Didnt say anything about how to properly run a cartel but yes a gringo banker being the head of a mexican cartel is complete and utter nonsense. You dont need to be an expert or a member of any cartel to know this. Feel free to prove me wrong. But my main point was how on the show its made pretty clear Marty would not be able to run the cartel on his own and only did so under the protection of the cartel boss.
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Well, technically speaking, I can't prove you wrong since I'm not an expert on cartel hierarchy and internal politics like you.

So, when Marty was in the "hole" and they played that death metal music nonstop, is that music up to the drug lord's choice? Or is there a standard playlist for all cartel related torture? I have so much I can learn from you.
 
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