Ozark: Season 4 (spoilers)

[Kolumbo]

Rewatching and on Season 3. Episode 3:1 Wendy decided to help Navarro go legit by getting into the casino biz. Marty disagreed. I think that's where the two went in separate directions. Marty just wants to get out and Wendy feels the action is the juice

Wendy: He likes the plan. It doesn't mean we're obligated.
Marty: Yes, it does.

This reply by Wendy in 3:6 is pure gold. The fight lays it all on the line.

 

[Kolumbo]

Just watched episodes 8 and 9 of season 4. I'll probably come back after I complete the season so as not to spoil it for myself. That said, I am not a big fan so far.

 

[Marat]

Just watched the finale and feel like it doesn't do justice for the series......

 

[storrsroars]

Just watched the finale and feel like it doesn't do justice for the series......

It ended with what was perhaps Marty's worst nightmare, so I thought justice was done.

 

[Deepster]

Just finished it and I thought, while all of season 4 had some nits that I could pick at, the season, the ending and the series in total was very well done.

• I guess there's no other way to end Ruth's storyline. You could see it coming with her starting to enjoy being legit, enjoying her successes and maybe getting stupid and letting her guard down. End of the day, she was the best Langmore...but in over her head in the game she was playing in.
  
  
• I thought they did a nice job of reintroducing some characters from prior seasons. Ruth telling the feds to apologize to Rachel was a reminder of the dirty fed who used her...then Ruth's "cousin?" Russ Langmore playing guitar reminded you of some of the odd twists early on.
  
  Even Wendy's dad saying she was a nope made me remember the video of her having sex that Marty saw in season 1. I don't know. I felt like those subtle nods to early seasons was cool.
  
  
• I also feel there's a Sopranos vibe to the end. They got away with it....or did they? Are they always in danger of someone paying them back for something at any point? Question on the car wreck. Seemed like it was "nothing"....but was that a hit that just didn't kill them? Is the point of that, that any time they relax and breathe easily.....something is waiting to take them out?

 

[Letsgohuskies11]

Just finished it and I thought, while all of season 4 had some nits that I could pick at, the season, the ending and the series in total was very well done.

• I guess there's no other way to end Ruth's storyline. You could see it coming with her starting to enjoy being legit, enjoying her successes and maybe getting stupid and letting her guard down. End of the day, she was the best Langmore...but in over her head in the game she was playing in.
  
  
• I thought they did a nice job of reintroducing some characters from prior seasons. Ruth telling the feds to apologize to Rachel was a reminder of the dirty fed who used her...then Ruth's "cousin?" Russ Langmore playing guitar reminded you of some of the odd twists early on.
  
  Even Wendy's dad saying she was a nope made me remember the video of her having sex that Marty saw in season 1. I don't know. I felt like those subtle nods to early seasons was cool.
  
  
• I also feel there's a Sopranos vibe to the end. They got away with it....or did they? Are they always in danger of someone paying them back for something at any point? Question on the car wreck. Seemed like it was "nothing"....but was that a hit that just didn't kill them? Is the point of that, that any time they relax and breathe easily.....something is waiting to take them out?

Because of the spacing of the seasons and delay with covid, I honestly forgot a lot of the tidbits of previous seasons. I enjoyed the way it wrapped up but the car accident felt pointless. I thought maybe Wendy would be taken out. It's hard to really think Wendy cares about anyone other than herself.

 

[Aluminny69]

Raises some interesting questions

 

[TheChamps990411]

I enjoyed the show because i needed the fix after Breaking Bad ended but Ozark doesnt hold a candle to it. You really had to suspend your disbelief and just enjoy the show or youd tune out pretty early on. Overall entertaining 6.5/10

 

[ZooCougar]

I thought it was a good ending. Ruth getting killed sucked, but she made her choices. I really wanted Wendy to did horribly, but in this sort of story the real villains have a better chance at survival. And she really was the worst. Evil always wins.

my nitpicks are really geographic. The characters flit around between KC, Chicago and Lake of the Ozarks like they have a teleportation device.

Overall, it was a good ending. I think it would have been interesting to see Marty left with no choice but to be the Cartel boss. But it ended credibly,

Are we 100% certain that Jonah shot the detective?

 

[ZooCougar]

7.5 hour drive from Lake of the Ozarks to Chicago.

 

[TheChamps990411]

Overall, it was a good ending. I think it would have been interesting to see Marty left with no choice but to be the Cartel boss. But it ended credibly,

Are we 100% certain that Jonah shot the detective?

Only reason he wasnt killed when he stood in for Navarro was because of Navarro. No circumstance Marty would become the actual boss.
Yes. But if there is some spinoff someday we`ll likely get some lame scenario where he didnt shoot the PI.

 

[Kolumbo]

Just finished it and I thought, while all of season 4 had some nits that I could pick at, the season, the ending and the series in total was very well done.

• I guess there's no other way to end Ruth's storyline. You could see it coming with her starting to enjoy being legit, enjoying her successes and maybe getting stupid and letting her guard down. End of the day, she was the best Langmore...but in over her head in the game she was playing in.
  
  
• I thought they did a nice job of reintroducing some characters from prior seasons. Ruth telling the feds to apologize to Rachel was a reminder of the dirty fed who used her...then Ruth's "cousin?" Russ Langmore playing guitar reminded you of some of the odd twists early on.
  
  Even Wendy's dad saying she was a nope made me remember the video of her having sex that Marty saw in season 1. I don't know. I felt like those subtle nods to early seasons was cool.
  
  
• I also feel there's a Sopranos vibe to the end. They got away with it....or did they? Are they always in danger of someone paying them back for something at any point? Question on the car wreck. Seemed like it was "nothing"....but was that a hit that just didn't kill them? Is the point of that, that any time they relax and breathe easily.....something is waiting to take them out?

Great points. I thought it was a great finale to the series. They probably wanted to generate some intrigue with the final scene but I'm going with the most obvious. Ruth is a great character and was just too stubborn and stupid for her own good. Messing around with the KC mob and the Mexican drug cartel, you don't make the rules. Wyatt should have known Darlene was a goner. Ruth should have known she was a goner after what happened to Wyatt and Darlene. And then to leave the party early, drive home alone, see a Cadillac Escalade in your driveway. No danger here? Ruth got her family into trouble way back when she first stole mob money from the Byrde's motel room. She should have worshipped Marty and done everything he said, and she'd probably have done fine.

 

[ZooCougar]

Only reason he wasnt killed when he stood in for Navarro was because of Navarro. No circumstance Marty would become the actual boss.
Yes. But if there is some spinoff someday we`ll likely get some lame scenario where he didnt shoot the PI.

I actually think there is a path to Marty becoming the boss. The guy is a genius at business and laundering money. He would have been more successful and profitable than Navarro. If he was down there long enough and made enriched the payouts to the Lieutenants then he could have convinced them enough to follow and then it would be in their vested interested to protect their golden goose.

 

[Kolumbo]

I actually think there is a path to Marty becoming the boss. The guy is a genius at business and laundering money. He would have been more successful and profitable than Navarro. If he was down there long enough and made enriched the payouts to the Lieutenants then he could have convinced them enough to follow and then it would be in their vested interested to protect their golden goose.

Perhaps. I don't think every cartel member is going to accept a gringo as his boss. But Camila did enter the scene late in the series so perhaps there is something to having Camila and Marty carry on for a while.

 

[TheChamps990411]

I actually think there is a path to Marty becoming the boss. The guy is a genius at business and laundering money. He would have been more successful and profitable than Navarro. If he was down there long enough and made enriched the payouts to the Lieutenants then he could have convinced them enough to follow and then it would be in their vested interested to protect their golden goose.

Sure. In a tv show. In reality? A gringo running one of the biggest cartels in the world by basically having it handed to him would never happen no matter how much money he was making. There would be too many people gunning for him and Marty isnt built for that. He wouldnt last long. I mean he couldnt even figure out who actually tried to take out Navarro when it was pretty obvious. Hes a business man, not a gangster.

 

[Deepster]

Sure. In a tv show. In reality? A gringo running one of the biggest cartels in the world by basically having it handed to him would never happen no matter how much money he was making. There would be too many people gunning for him and Marty isnt built for that. He wouldnt last long. I mean he couldnt even figure out who actually tried to take out Navarro when it was pretty obvious. Hes a business man, not a gangster.

I love the Boneyard. You get expert analysis on pizzas, 2-3 zones and how to properly run a mexican drug cartel all in the same morning.

 

[TheChamps990411]

I love the Boneyard. You get expert analysis on pizzas, 2-3 zones and how to properly run a mexican drug cartel all in the same morning.

Nope. Didnt say anything about how to properly run a cartel but yes a gringo banker being the head of a mexican cartel is complete and utter nonsense. You dont need to be an expert or a member of any cartel to know this. Feel free to prove me wrong. But my main point was how on the show its made pretty clear Marty would not be able to run the cartel on his own and only did so under the protection of the cartel boss.

 

[ZooCougar]

Sure. In a tv show. In reality? A gringo running one of the biggest cartels in the world by basically having it handed to him would never happen no matter how much money he was making. There would be too many people gunning for him and Marty isnt built for that. He wouldnt last long. I mean he couldnt even figure out who actually tried to take out Navarro when it was pretty obvious. Hes a business man, not a gangster.

He would have to have a Consigliere type for those matters. But he’s a smart adaptable guy who would grow into it, when he had no other options.

 

[ZooCougar]

I love the Boneyard. You get expert analysis on pizzas, 2-3 zones and how to properly run a mexican drug cartel all in the same morning.

If they can tolerate a woman running the cartel then they can handle Marty Byrde.

 

[Deepster]

Nope. Didnt say anything about how to properly run a cartel but yes a gringo banker being the head of a mexican cartel is complete and utter nonsense. You dont need to be an expert or a member of any cartel to know this. Feel free to prove me wrong. But my main point was how on the show its made pretty clear Marty would not be able to run the cartel on his own and only did so under the protection of the cartel boss.

Well, technically speaking, I can't prove you wrong since I'm not an expert on cartel hierarchy and internal politics like you.

So, when Marty was in the "hole" and they played that death metal music nonstop, is that music up to the drug lord's choice? Or is there a standard playlist for all cartel related torture? I have so much I can learn from you.

 

[ZooCougar]

Well, technically speaking, I can't prove you wrong since I'm not an expert on cartel hierarchy and internal politics like you.

So, when Marty was in the "hole" and they played that death metal music nonstop, is that music up to the drug lord's choice? Or is there a standard playlist for all cartel related torture? I have so much I can learn from you.

It’s on the list of recommendations in the online course for aspiring drug lords.

 

[Kolumbo]

It’s on the list of recommendations in the online course for aspiring drug lords.

If they can tolerate a woman running the cartel then they can handle Marty Byrde.

Camila hasn't been in charge yet so that is an unknown.

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[TheChamps990411]

Well, technically speaking, I can't prove you wrong since I'm not an expert on cartel hierarchy and internal politics like you.

So, when Marty was in the "hole" and they played that death metal music nonstop, is that music up to the drug lord's choice? Or is there a standard playlist for all cartel related torture? I have so much I can learn from you.

Clearly youre not.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I didn't love the ending because a little too Sopranos for me. The bad guys win again, with literally no consequences for the central family in the story. Ruth, like Sil and Bobby Baccala in the Sopranos, bites the dust for being too close to the sun. It was clever when the Sopranos did it, but that was 16 years ago.


The show did a good job of making the viewers want Wendy to die, and I don't think anyone would have been too upset if Marty didn't survive either.

I had to look up who Schafer was because I kept forgetting. That whole plot arc makes a lot more sense now.

Omar Navarro may have gotten the best death in the show. Elegant, respectful and realistic for a key character.



Some plot stretches:

Marty running the cartel was a little far fetched, but Jonah getting the jump on a Chicago cop was really ridiculous. There is no way a 15 year old nerd would have been able to do that.

I was a little disappointed in the CEO of the pharma being such a wimp. Someone in that position would be tougher in real life.

While Ruth could be insanely stubborn, she wasn't an idiot. She knew she would have to be looking over her shoulder the rest of her life when she killed Javi, so she should have been tougher to kill. And while Javi's death was credible, Javi should have never been able to get to Darlene so easy, so I guess in Ozark world crime bosses just wander around without any security.

Ruth should have had some plot armor from the fact that Camila had just appeared in a room with roof and the FBI. The FBI would unleash a whirlwind of pain on the cartel if the money launderer/CI was killed the day they FBI put her in the field. The writers should have either not put Ruth in that room or explain why she can be killed anyway. It feels like a plot hole otherwise.