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[UC990411]

Anyone heading to the Bronx to see Dez's fruit take on the hillbillies?

 

[formerlurker]

Dez is, tweeted about it this morning.

 

[sportsart]

Should be fun to watch in the snow. White out conditions. Wonder if they break 30k in attendance.

 

[uconNYC]

I live just a few subway stops away, but I rather watch the Womens team play Stanford.

 

[junglehusky]

Man... it sucks that UConn's not there this year. Hope the pinstripe stays with the BE next year and beyond if UConn's stuck in whatever they're going to name the conference after that.

 

[Dooley]

If it's not UConn, it's crap. I have zero interest in what the Fruit do when we don't play against them.

 

[Dann]

wvu doesn't want to be there. had high hopes and was ranked high and then fell apart. nyc and snow is about last on the list for them right now. this is a championship game for cuse like prov-uconn for the friars. good win for cuse but the game is a joke.

 

[formerlurker]

I'd have paid good money to see UConn play in this type of "joke" game.

 

[Woof 101]

wvu doesn't want to be there. had high hopes and was ranked high and then fell apart. nyc and snow is about last on the list for them right now. this is a championship game for cuse like prov-uconn for the friars. good win for cuse but the game is a joke.

Agree... not only the game but the bowl is a joke. There are too many available facilities to be playing football anywhere but on a football field.
Surprised this game is even played this late in the bowl season which gives it credibility over such greats as The Potato Bowl.....

 

[Dann]

I'd have paid good money to see UConn play in this type of "joke" game.

i would have also becuase its uconn and its close(that would mean we were a ok fball team going 8-4 and things would be different coach wise etc anyway..). it doesn't make up for the fact its a bowl. same with the one at the nationals ballpark. both of these should be happening but at the fball stadiums(giants and skins). they are 2 good cities and north ones that should be included in more big time bowls in the future becuase of the cities they are in. right now they are both a joke with the tie ins and locations. half of yankee stadium isn't enjoyable seating wise and they barely fit the field to begin with.

i imagine vtech wvu at skins stadium or cuse ruty in the meadowlands as good bowl games for the future when all the CR and playoof stuff gets sorted out.

 

[whaler11]

i would have also becuase its uconn and its close(that would mean we were a ok fball team going 8-4 and things would be different coach wise etc anyway..). it doesn't make up for the fact its a ****ty bowl. same with the one at the nationals ballpark. both of these should be happening but at the fball stadiums(giants and skins). they are 2 good cities and north ones that should be included in more big time bowls in the future becuase of the cities they are in. right now they are both a joke with the tie ins and locations. half of yankee stadium isn't enjoyable seating wise and they barely fit the field to begin with.

i imagine vtech wvu at skins stadium or cuse ruty in the meadowlands as good bowl games for the future when all the CR and playoof stuff gets sorted out.

It's a good point. It's a bit of a novelty to play in baseball stadiums but the seats do suck. Novelty wears off fast.

 

[UCFBfan]

i would have also becuase its uconn and its close(that would mean we were a ok fball team going 8-4 and things would be different coach wise etc anyway..). it doesn't make up for the fact its a ****ty bowl. same with the one at the nationals ballpark. both of these should be happening but at the fball stadiums(giants and skins). they are 2 good cities and north ones that should be included in more big time bowls in the future becuase of the cities they are in. right now they are both a joke with the tie ins and locations. half of yankee stadium isn't enjoyable seating wise and they barely fit the field to begin with.

i imagine vtech wvu at skins stadium or cuse ruty in the meadowlands as good bowl games for the future when all the CR and playoof stuff gets sorted out.

I thought about this but these games can't even sell out baseball stadiums with reduced seating. The Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl is played at AT&T Park also and they were half full. Bowls are dying entities. There's a reason they aren't played in more NFL stadiums....

 

[formerlurker]

i would have also becuase its uconn and its close(that would mean we were a ok fball team going 8-4 and things would be different coach wise etc anyway..). it doesn't make up for the fact its a ****ty bowl. same with the one at the nationals ballpark. both of these should be happening but at the fball stadiums(giants and skins). they are 2 good cities and north ones that should be included in more big time bowls in the future becuase of the cities they are in. right now they are both a joke with the tie ins and locations. half of yankee stadium isn't enjoyable seating wise and they barely fit the field to begin with.

i imagine vtech wvu at skins stadium or cuse ruty in the meadowlands as good bowl games for the future when all the CR and playoof stuff gets sorted out.

Agree 100% that RFK.2 deserves a college bowl game. No need to put a bowl game in a baseball park when that city has such a rabid NFL fan base and a perfect, available football venue.

On the other hand, I kind of like the game in Yankee Stadium. I'm a huge Yankee fan and although it's not THE OLD stadium, there's still some "football history" in the Bronx. I like the vintage feel, just wish the bowl was more important in the grand scheme of things.

 

[formerlurker]

I thought about this but these games can't even sell out baseball stadiums with reduced seating. The Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl is played at AT&T Park also and they were half full. Bowls are dying entities. There's a reason they aren't played in more NFL stadiums....

I'm afraid you're right with that statement. Lots of other options for people's entertainment dollars these days.

We could probably pool our cash and host a lower tier bowl game in a few years. I've got almost 3 acres of semi-level backyard. I can guarantee the turf will be in good shape but can't promise that deer won't be a factor. The barn on the visitor's side of the 50 might be an issue but should be cancelled out by the woodpile that covers half the home endzone.

I'm in Fairfield County though, so based on our marketing, it would be sort of an away game if UConn ever got in.

 

[Dann]

i would really like it if the future was a 8 team bcs playoff with 5 to 10 other nit type feel bowl games. i think that would be the way to go...

 

[huskymedic]

i would have also becuase its uconn and its close(that would mean we were a ok fball team going 8-4 and things would be different coach wise etc anyway..). it doesn't make up for the fact its a ****ty bowl. same with the one at the nationals ballpark. both of these should be happening but at the fball stadiums(giants and skins). they are 2 good cities and north ones that should be included in more big time bowls in the future becuase of the cities they are in. right now they are both a joke with the tie ins and locations. half of yankee stadium isn't enjoyable seating wise and they barely fit the field to begin with.

i imagine vtech wvu at skins stadium or cuse ruty in the meadowlands as good bowl games for the future when all the CR and playoof stuff gets sorted out.

The Military Bowl was played in RFK not National's Park - no?

 

[Dann]

The Military Bowl was played in RFK not National's Park - no?

yes my bad. point still stands. that place is a soccer field now and a crap house. its falling apart. the nats have a nice new stadium they got a couple eyars ago. still not where the skins play....

 

[BlueDogs]

Id like to see a 32 team tourney. 32 on dec 7, 16 teams dec 21, 8 teams Dec 26, 4 Teams Jan 1, Champ Jan. 7

The greedy bastards would make more money than they could possibly imagine. Top 8 conference champs get selected. Rest based on rankings. Regular season limited to no more than 11 games. Seasons must end on or before Dec 1.

 

[Dann]

Id like to see a 32 team tourney. 32 on dec 7, 16 teams dec 21, 8 teams Dec 26, 4 Teams Jan 1, Champ Jan. 7

The greedy bastards would make more money than they could possibly imagine. Top 8 conference champs get selected. Rest based on rankings. Regular season limited to no more than 11 games. Seasons must end on or before Dec 1.

YES, just i like 12 games still and start the school year at all schools a week earlier and fball season as result also. make the school year end a week earlier in early may. would solve a lot of issues.

 

[BlueDogs]

YES, just i like 12 games still and start the school year at all schools a week earlier and fball season as result also. make the school year end a week earlier in early may. would solve a lot of issues.

Definitely could squeeze 12 by moving back start by one week. In any event, this is so doable, I don't understand any objection other than the season gets longer for a select few. In terms of Bowls, you could allocate the big bowl venues among the elite 8, final four, and championship and rotate. The dollars and interest generated would be magnitudes greater than the current structure.

 

[Dann]

Definitely could squeeze 12 by moving back start by one week. In any event, this is so doable, I don't understand any objection other than the season gets longer for a select few. In terms of Bowls, you could allocate the big bowl venues among the elite 8, final four, and championship and rotate. The dollars and interest generated would be magnitudes greater than the current structure.

i think the playoff should be home field for higher ranked school. but put in place a rule that the field must be atleast 60k seating. so if a toldedo type makes a run then becuase of the issue the game gets moved to the closest possible field. like a pro place or another close school that fits the need. its its distance wise or logisitcs wise to muc and doesn't make sense(can be a ruling by the selction commit that also picks and ranks the 32 teams) then the home field goes to the other team. a rule like hat i think would encourage big boy behavior but also give every schools a fair chance. wake forest makes it, good for them they can play a game in char or elsewhere as needed. fair game. uconn makes it and the rent is not a 60k palace like i dream, then foxboro or giants are called for the game....

scrap bowls legancy wise, ppl are just going to have to get over it. make the ship game like the super bowl, annouce it a year early and all that jazz. it will sell out pre game and school won't have to be on the hook for a lot. no reserve for schools, all 2nd market. lets see what fanbasses travel and which have big donors who cover up ugly truths. a lot of one color would be very cool in the stands but a lot of just casual fans will be the result which will lead to big $. u could argue leave the schools a small reserve of like 5k or something. fine.

 

[BlueDogs]

i think the playoff should be home field for higher ranked school. but put in place a rule that the field must be atleast 60k seating. so if a toldedo type makes a run then becuase of the issue the game gets moved to the closest possible field. like a pro place or another close school that fits the need. its its distance wise or logisitcs wise to muc and doesn't make sense(can be a ruling by the selction commit that also picks and ranks the 32 teams) then the home field goes to the other team. a rule like hat i think would encourage big boy behavior but also give every schools a fair chance. wake forest makes it, good for them they can play a game in char or elsewhere as needed. fair game. uconn makes it and the rent is not a 60k palace like i dream, then foxboro or giants are called for the game....

scrap bowls legancy wise, ppl are just going to have to get over it. make the ship game like the super bowl, annouce it a year early and all that jazz. it will sell out pre game and school won't have to be on the hook for a lot. no reserve for schools, all 2nd market. lets see what fanbasses travel and which have big donors who cover up ugly truths. a lot of one color would be very cool in the stands but a lot of just casual fans will be the result which will lead to big $. u could argue leave the schools a small reserve of like 5k or something. fine.

Agree. Seems like a no-brainer to reformat along these lines. Not sure what forces are at play that make a tournament format so difficult.

 

[ZooCougar]

I would have flown in from Europe or even cut my tour short to see UConn play in this "joke" game.

Thank Paul Pasqualoni for destroying UConn football.

 

[Husky25]

yes my bad. point still stands. that place is a soccer field now and a crap house. its falling apart. the nats have a nice new stadium they got a couple eyars ago. still not where the skins play....

RFK is actually an old multi-purpose cookie cutter stadium along the lines of 3 Rivers (Pitt), Riverfront (Cinci), Veterans (Philly), and Shea (NYC). I include Shea because the lower bowl at RFK rotates like Shea used to before it went baseball only. RFK seats about 53,000 for football and it was good enough for the Redskins prior to FedEx Field and many prefer it to FedEx due to the intimacy. (minimal luxery boxes and the seats are close to the field. FedEx seats over 80,000). Soccer-only stadiums in this country seat about 20,000.

You are right that it is more or less in a condition of disrepair.

Regarding the Pinstripe Bowl...It's called that because its played in Yankee Stadium and its more or less a novelty. If the game was played in the Meadowlands, they would have to call it the Swamp Bowl, Jersey Bowl or Hoffa Bowl.

 

[uconNYC]

My proposal would be to eliminate all the conference championship games so all teams only play 12 games. (Other than the SEC title game, all other championships have been massive failures so this might not be such a radical idea).

Then have 4 different 16 team tournaments (class A, class B, class C and class D). The top 16 teams go to the Class A tournament. The next 16 go to the Class B tournament and so on. A conference champion would at the very least have access to the Class D tournament.

Essentially the winner of the Class A tournament would be National Champions, the other classes are there just to provide a post season reward for the remaining teams.

The higher seeded teams would host games and the finals would be played at the Rose Bowl, Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl and Orange Bowl on a rotating basis.

Right now 68 teams go to a bowl game, in this setup 64 teams would have access to post season play.