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OT: USA vs Mexico

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When P gets fired ... is Klinsmann a candidate??? Because the depth the US has now is unprecedented! Missing 4 starters? No problem ... just re-load, re-adjust, and win.
 
Dos a Cero seemed very likely, then not, and yet, thanks to Clint butchering the 94:00 penalty kick it was ... :)
 
Honduras Panama draw on another lucky Panama goal in stoppage 2-2
 
In other news Brazil crushes Portugal in n amistoso 3-1 effortless win.
 
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I'll be in Rio for 8 days during the WC. Anyone else making the trek?
 
We're going to Brazil!!!

Solid performance by the entire squad. I liked Klinsmann's decision to move Fabian Johnson to a wing back. It allowed space for Donovan, Dempsey, and Johnson to all co-exist. I also liked Beckerman's performance filling in for an injured Bradley, especially after Cameron made an absolute mess of it against Costa Rica. I don't like Jones, but he certainly redeemed himself tonight after a brutal game against Costa Rica. He made a few critical tackles tonight, especially when it was still a 0-0 game.

Bottom line; we've washed away any previous belief that Mexico is a stronger team than are. Nobody watching that game tonight could argue that point. Chicharito? Dos Santos? Enjoy that game against New Zealand, and say hello to Peter Jackson and the Hobbits for me... :cool:
 
Green eyes played? Huh, would not have known by watching the game.

I bet they get Carlos Vela back for the next two, that should help a LOT.

What happened to Gio's fire? Two years ago, no one scared me more. Today, meh. He has never been injured as far as I remember.
 
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Butch said:
I was trying to tell a couple Mexicans I came across tonight that soccer evolved from rugby. But they had no idea what rugby is. Nor did they speak too much English. At least one will be doing research as soon as he gets his hands on the internet.
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Rugby evolved from soccer, so it's the other way around.
 
Kgun7 said:
When P gets fired ... is Klinsmann a candidate??? Because the depth the US has now is unprecedented! Missing 4 starters? No problem ... just re-load, re-adjust, and win.
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Klinsmann is the best. He's build a team and changed the culture. I thought Keller and Lalas sounded like a bunch of old fogeys after the game. They make it sould like the US is the only team that plays with "heart".
 
Question: is early qualifying (2 games left I guess) a good thing, like extra practices for a bowl game? The coach gets to experiment a little more with lineups and younger players get more gametime. Or is it a chance for the team to lose focus because they don't have the pressure of winning?
 
upstater said:
Rugby evolved from soccer, so it's the other way around.
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I know you like to think you are always correct but after the rules of association football were codified in 1862, the first game was played by two rugby clubs. Who ended up going back to rugby after the game.
 
Waquoit said:
Klinsmann is the best. He's build a team and changed the culture. I thought Keller and Lalas sounded like a bunch of old fogeys after the game. They make it sould like the US is the only team that plays with "heart".
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Agree. When Klinsmann took the job I believed that good things would happen for the USMNT. Parabens para o alemao!
 
Baseball came from a a British school girls game called rounders.
 
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Butch said:
I know you like to think you are always correct but after the rules of association football were codified in 1862, the first game was played by two rugby clubs. Who ended up going back to rugby after the game.
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Being correct is better than being wrong. The rugby world cup trophy is named for the guy who decided to pick up the ball during a football game and run with it in his arms. The kids on my rugby team who actually attended the Rugby school knew this history like the back of their hand, and when I looked it up, the history was all there. It happened in the early 1800s at the Ruby school. They were playing the sport we call soccer today, and they simply picked up the ball and started running with it, tackling.
 
upstater's on target, and evolved is one way of describing the cheater who picked up and ran with a school yard football in Rugby, England. Indeed, the Rugby World Cup trophy was named after a cheater.

Long before a more modern football/soccer sport developed in England, much earlier versions of a kicking and competing with a ball game originated way back when in modern day China's 2nd or 3rd century and later in modern day Italy. The English refined football/soccer a bit for over a century, and may have even codified rules after rugby rules were documented. Of course, football in England has also regressed to today's all-too-English version of long-ball kick and run. :(
 
RioDog said:
Question: is early qualifying (2 games left I guess) a good thing, like extra practices for a bowl game? The coach gets to experiment a little more with lineups and younger players get more gametime. Or is it a chance for the team to lose focus because they don't have the pressure of winning?
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All but 5-6 players are still fighting for a spot on the roster or the starting XI. The results won't matter much but the games do.

Jk can go one of two ways. He can either test his first choice team for Brazil as a unit or he can put those on either fringe into the most competitive environment available to him before Brazil.

I think he goes with #2. He will release players to their clubs that he has a good feel for if it will help then earn club playing time or if they are nicked up. If so you won't see guys like Dempsey or Bradley playing a full 90 against Jamaica if at all.
 
upstater said:
Being correct is better than being wrong. The rugby world cup trophy is named for the guy who decided to pick up the ball during a football game and run with it in his arms. The kids on my rugby team who actually attended the Rugby school knew this history like the back of their hand, and when I looked it up, the history was all there. It happened in the early 1800s at the Ruby school. They were playing the sport we call soccer today, and they simply picked up the ball and started running with it, tackling.
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That story has been declared a myth. Otherwise, there was mob football (in which there was kicking AND carrying) and after that, different rules of football around England. But association football was not codified until 1862. After rugby football.
 
RioDog said:
Question: is early qualifying (2 games left I guess) a good thing, like extra practices for a bowl game? The coach gets to experiment a little more with lineups and younger players get more gametime. Or is it a chance for the team to lose focus because they don't have the pressure of winning?
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For a motivated, competitive, no idea whether qualifying makes too much of a difference. However, the US has tentatively scheduled matches in the works with Spain, Scotland (at Hampden Park), and, if Bosnia-Herzogovinia qualifies for Brazil they'll be a pre-WC match in St. Louis.
 
Butch said:
That story has been declared a myth. Otherwise, there was mob football (in which there was kicking AND carrying) and after that, different rules of football around England. But association football was not codified until 1862. After rugby football.
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I know all about the myth but was isn't a myth is the first descriptions of the game in print came much later than the descriptions of soccer. And, games can exist before any sort of organization. Besides, neither sport much resembles those initial codifications. For a century, rugby union ruled, and that came after association football. So whatever was written down before was quickly forgotten and displaced.
 
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Da_Aisijimo_Gou said:
upstater's on target, and evolved is one way of describing the cheater who picked up and ran with a school yard football in Rugby, England. Indeed, the Rugby World Cup trophy was named after a cheater.

Long before a more modern football/soccer sport developed in England, much earlier versions of a kicking and competing with a ball game originated way back when in modern day China's 2nd or 3rd century and later in modern day Italy. The English refined football/soccer a bit for over a century, and may have even codified rules after rugby rules were documented. Of course, football in England has also regressed to today's all-too-English version of long-ball kick and run. :(
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Good point about Italy, but a little known fact actually backs up Butch. When I lived in Italy, some of the guys I met sometimes call Rugby Fiorentino. Because the same story of Ellis picking up the ball is repeated by Italians who say that during the Renaissance someone picked up the ball and ran with it, and a Florentian form of soccer developed much like Rugby. Unless we know what the heck they were doing in this period with soccer and rugby, it really is hard to determine who is right. But, my bias leans on the soccer side of things since earlier descriptions clearly indicate a player kicking a ball on the ground.
 
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