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UConnDan97

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I can't forget. I was at every game in the 2002 WC. I was lucky to be stationed there that year.

Poland punched us in the mouth.

But the best game we played was against South Korea. You have no idea what kind of pressure the team was under. And the Koreans were under more pressure to beat us. At the time the Koreans hated America after the Apollo Anton Ohno thing and because our Soldiers had accidentally run over two young girls with a tank. The tension was unreal.

Against Germany, we flat out outplayed them in the second half. The thing I remember after that game was how most of the Germans collapsed in relief and exhaustion once the whistle ended the game. There was a ton of mutual respect on the field in that game since many of our players were Bundesliga vets.

Portugal game was the best sporting event I have ever been to in my life. We shocked the world that day, Portugal was a favorite to win the whole the thing that year. Donovan and Beasley made those guys look silly and slow..

Portugal has been a "favorite" ever since Luis Figo was a young pup (the so-called "Golden Generation" of Portuguese soccer), and they never seem to go anywhere in any major competition, much to the shagrin of many of my Portuguese friends...
 
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Are we about to have a USMNT WCQ Game Thread on the football board?

History could be made tonight.
 

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Wondering if the cooler night game helps us tonight? While the current roster would get smoked in 2014, I assume we will get some reinforcements by then if we can qualify. Looking for a point tonight, but we are so undermanned it will be tough.
 

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Wondering if the cooler night game helps us tonight? While the current roster would get smoked in 2014, I assume we will get some reinforcements by then if we can qualify. Looking for a point tonight, but we are so undermanned it will be tough.

I think the cooler temperature absolutely is in our favor tonight. Blistering heat with no oxygen is way worse than just no oxygen. I'm very interested in seeing how Klinsmann plays the formation today (and what he does with Maurice Edu). He may in fact be looking to solidify the one point, or he may go on the attack. Knowing Klinsmann the way that I think I do, I think he'll go on the attack (not necessarily the best choice in Stadio Azteca, but we'll see)...
 
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Portugal has been a "favorite" ever since Luis Figo was a young pup (the so-called "Golden Generation" of Portuguese soccer), and they never seem to go anywhere in any major competition, much to the shagrin of many of my Portuguese friends...

Figo was our bitch that night.
 

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I think I need remedial soccer appreciation classes, I can't keep track of which US defenders made errors on opposing attackers which seems to be a prerequisite for online fan griping. And the only time I realize we're playing a high back line is when someone beats us on the counter.

Anyway, if we somehow score 3 or more goals tonight maybe that won't matter!
 

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That's ridiculous. You don't know what you are talking about.

We looked WORSE going into 2002 after finishing dead last in France in 1998. In 2002 we were one incompetent official away from making the semifinals.

Sure they play the games for a reason. That doesn't mean you should have expectations.
 

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Well I will be happy with the point, however ugly. And yes, it was plenty ugly.
 
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Klinsman is slowly building a national team that can climb up the ladder to world class competition. Klinsman's never lost to Mexico as a player, or coach, in Germany, and with the U.S.A. He scored a goal that knocked them out of the world cup in 1998. They must hate him.

What's most important about last night, is that the two most important players on the field (other than Guzan - who's also a newbie) were the two central defenders, both of which are very young, and are both products of MLS. THey both played more than adequately at world class competition level.


I expect that will be big news for USA soccer moving forward.

Altidore got pulled not too long after he completely blew the best scoring chance we had all night. A very nice series of passes and runs that started out of the central defense, went down the right wall, and ended up on Altidore's foot, at the half circle. WIth a clear lane to deliver the goal shot. He gave up the ball terribly, and it resulted in a very fast counterstrike that went right across the face of the U.S. goal.

Cannot have that kind of play from that player. For every great play Altidore makes, he's got one just like that, and that's why Klinsmann treats him the way he does. Got to be consistent.

What this team lacks is a second controlling midfielder, to pair with Bradley, and much better passing out of the back line and central midfielders - the one touch passing that is completely out of control makes me crazy.

A second controlling midfielder, and some controlled passing out of the back line and midfield, and the U.S. has a chance to make a significnat run in 2014.

In a country of 300 million people, finding 23 athletes that are capable of world class competition in soccer, is simply a matter of installing the system to find them.

Klinsi is doing it.
 
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Hope Donovan will HTFU and be ready to go in June.

But Bradley is great for us. He is as important to this team as Claudio Reyna was to the 2002 team.
 

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Yeah, last night was indeed ugly. It was the result I thought we would get, but to be fair, we were somewhat lucky to get it. As solid as the US defense was, the front three players were almost non-existent, even against a Mexican backline that I consider to be "suspect" at best (all of their talent is up front).

I think the world of Dempsey, but he didn't really have a good game last night. Altidore was non-existent, and outside of some solid defensive plays, so was Hercules Gomez. Eddie Johnson did a little, but not much. Thankfully, Bradley had a fantastic game and made up for the lackluster front line.

From a tactical standpoint, I think Klinsmann did exactly what should have been done. 11 players behind the ball, and try to spring the counter. New players have now earned their stripes, and we move on in the hexagonal...
 

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Thankfully, Bradley had a fantastic game and made up for the lackluster front line.

I still say that Bradley is the best player on the team. He's always a 2-way contributor.
 

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But Bradley is great for us. He is as important to this team as Claudio Reyna was to the 2002 team.

Reyna should have scored on that deep 1-timer. He would be a legend today.
 
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I still say that Bradley is the best player on the team. He's always a 2-way contributor.

If Altidore actually completes that single pass to Bradley moving into the box on the sequence I mentioned, Bradley just might have scored the game winner last night.

Putting11 world class players on the pitch, is not a problem for the U.S.A. We've got players. What we haven't built, is the system to develop the players and depth behind them to constantly feed new, younger players into the roster. It's happening slowly now, as Klinsmann is doing everythign he can to install the same kind of system he rebuilt in Germany, into the U.S.

What's unique, and is actually a significant obstacle, for the international senior USA team, is actually the NCAA. NCAA intercollegiate soccer competition, does not fit nicely into the development of players for international soccer competition. The NCAA is a huge draw for soccer talent, and makes it hard to have a consistent development plan for the national team. The national team needs to be built out of MLS, and MLS is getting better.

What the Klinsmann does have going for him, though, to combat that draw of young (18-20 year old) talent away from the MLS development program, is a public interest and media interest in USA soccer, in MLS soccer, that has never before existed. USA international soccer competition on ESPN? It was primetime on the west coast. Unheard of. MLS soccer on television, adn growing in attendance and things like that will certainly help.

That kind of public interest will certainly help drive the changes in flow of money around soccer that needs to happen.

In June, the U.S. team will play a friendly against the team taht Klinsmann coached before taking the U.S.A. job. It's doubtful that Germany will travel the majority of their most experienced senior team to play us in June. I hope they do, but I doubt it. What we will see, most likely, is most of their next generation of senior team - the 20-22 year old players.

Either way, whether or not Germany brings the majority of their senior team, or a younger squad, it will be a good measuring stick to see where our national team program is at. We will see if things have chagned at all since we matched up with Spain in a friendly last year and got destroyed. Spain went through our national team last year like they were practicing against cones.

Business lawyer asked a question yesterday as to why we should expect different things from the U.S. in Azteca last night, and I gave a facetious response. The truth is, that expectations for the U.S. team have changed, the entire program has changed, so yes - we should expect different things from this team now, and I found it very pleasing that every one of the players and the coach, were clear that they were happy with the result, but that they really expected to win. One failed Altidore pass to Bradley entering the box, resulting from a well executed run starting in the central defense late in teh first half, and they just might have come out with the 1-0 win.

And the truth is that Mexico, while a very good side, FIFA world ranking #15, is a team that we should regularly be competing well against, and should be striving to exceed.

A good game last night, with a patchwork roster, the 25th different roster that Klinsmann has played in 25 international matches. I think it's safe to say, that Klinsmann is developing as many players as he can.

Personally, a guy like Klinsmann, with the simple population resources that the U.S.A provides, in building an international soccer program? He's a kid in a candy store, and the rest of the world - in soccer - like Klinsmann, and the Germans, have always known, that the only thing preventing the U.S.A. from being an international power in soccer, was being organized enough nationally to find and develop players that can feed the program with new and young players in the long term cycles that is international competition.
 

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What this team lacks is a second controlling midfielder, to pair with Bradley, and much better passing out of the back line and central midfielders - the one touch passing that is completely out of control makes me crazy.

A second controlling midfielder, and some controlled passing out of the back line and midfield, and the U.S. has a chance to make a significnat run in 2014.

Claudio Reyna was his name. We haven't replaced him yet. I thought Beasley was truly awful in the first half, they just cruised down that left side and he gave corners like candy. He settled down a little. It would be interesting to see if he can learn how to play defense, we could use the speed in back.
 

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Hope Donovan will HTFU and be ready to go in June.

But Bradley is great for us. He is as important to this team as Claudio Reyna was to the 2002 team.

Oops, my post looks copycat now. Honestly didn't see yours before.
 
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Since we're managed to swerve off into association football on a gridiron football message board...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/socce...-missiles-usa-fans-azteca-190501784--sow.html

That is ugly. But Mexicans need to remember they only became relevantly. After all, Rutgers and Princeton did play the first relevant soccer game in this country in 1869.

We have the crappiest chants. English soccer fans murder us.
 
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