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Awesome... Rather than commend them for hanging tough, without Landon Donovan, in Genoa, where the Italian national team has never lost, let's dismiss the game as a fluke.
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Read the rest of the thread. I'm not the only one.
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I'll certainly keep this win in perspective because it was only a friendly, but regardless of that fact, I'm still pumped!! And no doubt about it, Deuce is the man!
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FYI - the U-23 team put a 2-0 beat down against Mexico last night too, and that U-23 team had at least one new player in their lineup, b/c at least one U-23 (Shea) got bumped up to the senior, A-team playing in Genoa yesterday.
Klinsman is doing quick work with USA soccer. I don't know why it's taken so long to put somebody in charge that has control of the entire thing all the way up and down the chain. Italy has never lost an international game in Genoa until yesterday. Ever. They were playing their regulars in that game in the second half. The Germans couldn't beat them there. The Brazilians couldn't. The Argentinians. Nope.
But a country the size of the USA? 350 million people? You can't find or, more importantly, TRAIN.....to develop and put together 23 athletes to build a world class soccer team? The rest of the world has had title to the world of that brand of football because nobody's been interested in really getting it organized in the U.S. The concept that the USA might be getting organized in building a national soccer program has got to have traditional powers aroudn the world getting nervous.
Great win yesterday. Great, great win.
Klinsman is doing quick work with USA soccer. I don't know why it's taken so long to put somebody in charge that has control of the entire thing all the way up and down the chain. Italy has never lost an international game in Genoa until yesterday. Ever. They were playing their regulars in that game in the second half. The Germans couldn't beat them there. The Brazilians couldn't. The Argentinians. Nope.
But a country the size of the USA? 350 million people? You can't find or, more importantly, TRAIN.....to develop and put together 23 athletes to build a world class soccer team? The rest of the world has had title to the world of that brand of football because nobody's been interested in really getting it organized in the U.S. The concept that the USA might be getting organized in building a national soccer program has got to have traditional powers aroudn the world getting nervous.
Great win yesterday. Great, great win.
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players who can not cut it in yurp and have to come back over to MLS do not have a place on the national team. It is that simple. He is like Brian Ching, nice but if you have to rely on someone at his level you are never going to actually do well. Both are left behind.
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Landon's in the U.S. and not Europe....so.....he must suck??
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No -- he said "yurp," not "Europe." When you use cool lingo, that means you can't be argued with.
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not what i said. Landon has been here for the last decade. You could say he failed in Germany, but the issue was more maturity than skill. Munich and Everton were just loan deals. He loves living in LA and it seems he has no desire going anywhere else. Liverpool or Los Angeles, I can understand why one makes that call, but it probably has kept his ceiling lower than if he toughed it out in Germany to start with, better competition makes better players.
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First, better competition only makes better players if you are on the field playing. He wasn't always playing at Leverkusen, and it was probably the best thing for his career and play to come back to the U.S., whether it was Los Angeles or not. Second, Benny Feilhaber wasn't playing at some top-flight establishment, let's be honest! It is a much better thing for him that he is playing with the Revs and getting a lot of field time (when he's not injured). He'll be in front of everyone to see, including Klinsmann....
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I agree with a portion of each of the last 3 posts. There is no clear answer for every single player. Donovan had his difficulties in Germany and came home to mature. However, could you imagine the lost growth if Dempsey had stayed in New England? And, in my opinion, the US is much better served using many others before calling in Feilhaber. The potential of Jose Torres or Danny Williams is too great to exchange for the stability you would get with Benny.
And to complicate matters further: What about players who had the potential to transfer to top global leagues, but MLS was unwillimg to sell them on the cheap ... like Twellman ...
And to complicate matters further: What about players who had the potential to transfer to top global leagues, but MLS was unwillimg to sell them on the cheap ... like Twellman ...
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Klinsman is taking the same principles that are used in Germany,and pretty much everywhere else in the world when it comes to building a national soccer team, and applying them to building a USA team for international competition. My understanding, that in the past, there really hasn't been anyone that's been allowed to have as much control over the entire national program, literally from the U-8's to the senior national team, as well as Olympic program, as Klinsman's got now.
If it can get media support behind, and get $'s flowing, the rest of the world should be very concerned. A country the size of the USA, with as many athletes as we can produce, it's really only been a matter of getting organized, and time, before the USA becomes an international "football" player.
Remains to be seen if it happens, but the groundwork seems to be being laid down right now.
Remains to be seen how it goes in long term, and this was, as many pointed out just a friendly match, the qualifiers that matter are coming up, but we get another test against Brazil in May before that.
So far - arrow pointing up for USA soccer, big time.
If it can get media support behind, and get $'s flowing, the rest of the world should be very concerned. A country the size of the USA, with as many athletes as we can produce, it's really only been a matter of getting organized, and time, before the USA becomes an international "football" player.
Remains to be seen if it happens, but the groundwork seems to be being laid down right now.
Remains to be seen how it goes in long term, and this was, as many pointed out just a friendly match, the qualifiers that matter are coming up, but we get another test against Brazil in May before that.
So far - arrow pointing up for USA soccer, big time.
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I was not happy with the Klinsman appointment initially but if he can oversee a bottom to top approach I'd be willing to change my mind.
I agree Kgun7 in that each player needs to be evaluated individually in regards to where they will play, here or overseas.
I agree Kgun7 in that each player needs to be evaluated individually in regards to where they will play, here or overseas.
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I think we are far closer to being a "player" than many are believing. We have made it out of the World Cup three straight times that the cup has not been held in Europe. We have been unable to be successful only when the majority of teams in the field have a significant location advantage on us.
(And before anyone says that "home continent" should not matter, it shouldn't matter maybe but it does. The entire Western Hemisphere has won a total of one world cup in Europe, and I don't believe a European team has ever won in South America.)
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The Germans should have won in the cup in the U.S. in 1994, and would be the only team to ever win a cup in an opposite global hemisphere going east to west. That team was amazing. (Jerseys were disgusting though) (West to east - Brazil won in S. Korea in 2002 - in the finals against Germany)..... but that 94 Lothar Mathaus german team partied like viking barbarians for the entire July 4th week in New York City and got beat by a crappy Bulgaria team on two very, very late goals in Giants stadium after being up 1-0, playing hungover and/or still drunk and could barely run by the end. I spent a night in Manhattan for a while with those guys. It was a good time, but damn, that german team should have been locked up in a motel in Paterson, N.J. for that week, rather than hanging out in Manhattan all week and partying 24/7. Klinsmann scored five goals in that 94 Cup.
How we do in Brazil in 2014 will be the proof in the pudding if the system is working. Klinsmann will have had almost a full cycle to track players and get them trained.
I really enjoy soccer, but there's nothign like american football. Soccer, I can think become quite popular in teh U.S. All it will take is regular winner internationally. But nothing will ever be like american football.
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I was at the US/Germany game in 2002 and Germany was lucky to beat us. The stupid Scottish ref missed an obvious handball. When the game was over, the Germans, who all looked three feet taller than our guys, collapsed in exhaustion.
That was a pretty damn good team that year. All of the Europeans that I talked to were certain that the US was on track to be a real power very soon. I tend to agree with what Businesslawyer said we are close, but the World Cup is the most competitive tournament I can think of, even ridiculously talented teams get sent home early.
That was a pretty damn good team that year. All of the Europeans that I talked to were certain that the US was on track to be a real power very soon. I tend to agree with what Businesslawyer said we are close, but the World Cup is the most competitive tournament I can think of, even ridiculously talented teams get sent home early.
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If you want a lesson on soccer coaching read this - especially the part about how Klinsman has worked with the younger Bradley. He had a very good game and he was coached that way. Something about the fact that he had too much to worry about and he too often made safe passes.
The best soccer analysis you can ever read. There was not one mention that we were outplayed and this was a lucky win.
http://theshinguardian.com/2012/03/...ner-day-for-the-us-runs-the-table/#more-31274
The best soccer analysis you can ever read. There was not one mention that we were outplayed and this was a lucky win.
http://theshinguardian.com/2012/03/...ner-day-for-the-us-runs-the-table/#more-31274
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