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OT ~ UB fires head coach Jeff Quinn

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Whaler ... your first mistake: was not understanding the history of the UB Program. Quinn, following Gill's lead, has markedly improved everything about that program. Their 1998-2006 period was horrid. Their Athletics were at Central Connecticut level.

upstater is a college professor and knows UB extraordinarily well. I have been an adjunct Professor in the SUNY system and my Dad was a college president. You make this broad statement that you know every FBS program better than all rest of us and that instantly gets me smirking. How is that possible? I am studying the enrollment patterns of these schools for a living - I do student housing investment - and I have read a vast amount on Buffalo. I know that UB has HUGE ideas on growth. Like go from 24 to 30 ... or double its size. It is AAU. It has the land and the community backing. It's potential? Far beyond all of the MAC schools academically!

This is another reason the Conference Realignment and Power 5 suck. It is entirely possible that UB far outpaces Syracuse. The SUNY Polytechnic initiative (started at UAlbany) has begun a huge research commitment at UB. This school could be a powerhouse ... and that also is sports. The Cartel doesn't allow that; and its effect is beyond football.

My conclusion is that AD White thinks UB has far higher arc than they have had. Quinn is a solid MAC coach and would be competitive for quite some time; he did nothing (particularly not losing to Eastern Michigan) to warrant this hook. But, White has his eye on a Big Program. And, this is a glimpse of a guy that wants to re-position his Program into a different path.

I know the history of the UB program. The arc is clear when you are in year five and losing to dregs.

And you can smirk if you like but I know what's going on in football at these rinky dink G5 programs. None of that other crap matters relative to firing an underperforming football coach.

For a guy who is constantly talking about grandiose ideas and start up mentality - you talk up Buffalo's potential and then come to the conclusion they should be happy winning 35% of their games and not attempt to improve their football program. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
 
Are we going to get a Jeff Quinn Thread to 3 pages? I am doing my part.
 
Just chipping in here. Seems like a strange firing to me, if there isn't something else immediately apparent then the AD is probably an idiot. Buffalo never looked better, but these MAC teams seem to have really drastic swings in performance from year to year and they seem inconsistent.
 
I know the history of the UB program. The arc is clear when you are in year five and losing to dregs.

And you can smirk if you like but I know what's going on in football at these rinky dink G5 programs. None of that other crap matters relative to firing an underperforming football coach.

For a guy who is constantly talking about grandiose ideas and start up mentality - you talk up Buffalo's potential and then come to the conclusion they should be happy winning 35% of their games and not attempt to improve their football program. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

MAC teams are never consistent, unless they are consistently bad. I don't think you can look at a five year arc with a MAC school side by side with a school from a bigger G5 or P5 conference. It's not apples to apples.
 
It's the bye week ... we don't have a lot of Whitmer v Boyle to discuss. Why not discuss this UB firing?

HOWEVER ... if you really got a guy a little better than Quinn, don't you run into the RISK of the MAC. The league clearly has an up & down to as the Coaches that do well are grabbed by Illinois, NC State, Wake Forest etc. A clear path. So you want to go 8-5 to 9-4 to something better; but, you are on your path to losing that Coach and total build in another direction. Usually.
 
So you can't hire a good coach because he will get poached.

Why is that any different at UConn?
 
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So you can't hire a good coach because he will get poached.

Why is that any different at UConn?
The difference is the pay. Quinn was making what at UB? 400K,? Diaco got four times that. When Diaco got hired his contract/pay was real close to Dabo Swinney's down at Clemson. Sweeny has since gotten a huge raise, and sure upper level P5 schools can poach our coach, but a successful UConn fball coach would be a fool to leave for wake forest or Kansas job where the pay is probably similar but the competition is much greater.
 
The difference is the pay. Quinn was making what at UB? 400K,? Diaco got four times that. When Diaco got hired his contract/pay was real close to Dabo Swinney's down at Clemson. Sweeny has since gotten a huge raise, and sure upper level P5 schools can poach our coach, but a successful UConn fball coach would be a fool to leave for wake forest or Kansas job where the pay is probably similar but the competition is much greater.

Nobody is passing up legitimate P5 jobs to stay in the AAC. Buffalo might lose their coach to every P5 team. UConn would lose their coach to every P5 team except a handful.

Had UConn been in the market a year earlier do you really think they would have gotten Clawson over Wake? That seems pretty doubtful.
 
Nobody is passing up legitimate P5 jobs to stay in the AAC. Buffalo might lose their coach to every P5 team. UConn would lose their coach to every P5 team except a handful.

Had UConn been in the market a year earlier do you really think they would have gotten Clawson over Wake? That seems pretty doubtful.

So you are saying Ollie only stayed because no P5 program wanted him?
 
So you are saying Ollie only stayed because no P5 program wanted him?

I thought we were talking about football?

I almost added a line about an end of the road guy like O'Leary or an alumnus - but figured people were bright enough to realize there are
exceptions.

This coming from the guy who wants to eliminate the football program is ironic though.
 
Nobody is passing up legitimate P5 jobs to stay in the AAC. Buffalo might lose their coach to every P5 team. UConn would lose their coach to every P5 team except a handful.

Had UConn been in the market a year earlier do you really think they would have gotten Clawson over Wake? That seems pretty doubtful.

UConn is in a unique spot where the pay will likely be better than the low tier p5 jobs.....for now. Eventually that gulf may widen too much but I think it will be much harder for to win at wake in the acc than at uconn in the American.
 
UConn is in a unique spot where the pay will likely be better than the low tier p5 jobs.....for now. Eventually that gulf may widen too much but I think it will be much harder for to win at wake in the acc than at uconn in the American.

Wake is paying Clawson 2.25 million. Duke is paying Cutcliffe 2.25 million. Washington State is paying Leach 2.5 million.

It's harder to win at Tennessee in the SEC than it is to win at UConn in the AAC.

It's harder to win at UCLA in the PAC 12 than it is to win at UConn in the AAC.

It's harder to win at Virginia in the ACC than it is to win at UConn in the AAC.

It's harder to win at every P5 job than it is to win at UConn as long as it's in the AAC.

If the job being more challenging would discourage coaches from leaving no one would leave the MAC or Sun Belt for bigger jobs.

Just like Skip Holtz could win at East Carolina and wash out at USF then go back to being good at LA Tech... It's harder for Willie Taggert to win at USF than it was at Western Kentucky.

This is why Nick Saban dominates in the SEC and was a joke in the NFL. Rick Pitino? John Calipari?
 
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Again though, Mac money isn't life changing money. What uconn is paying is. So if you're succesful at uconn do you leave for a modest pay raise where it will be much harder to win? I don't know if going to Iowa state for comparable money is a wise career move.
 
Again though, Mac money isn't life changing money. What uconn is paying is. So if you're succesful at uconn do you leave for a modest pay raise where it will be much harder to win? I don't know if going to Iowa state for comparable money is a wise career move.

Yes for the next handful of years UConn can match the money the lowest P5 programs will pay. So they wouldn't lose a coach to a half dozen teams.

If UConn is still in the AAC 5 years from now they aren't going to be able to come close to what Duke or Iowa State or Wake or Wazzu is paying.

So I guess that is an advantage. If UConn has a really good coach they may not lose him to Kansas or Vanderbilt. So maybe they find that perfect sweet spot - but that would mean he's a lesser coach than Edsall.
 
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