OT top 10 power forwards of alltime

[sdhusky]

The videos are up at youtube.

LOL. Mixtape evidence.

 

[superjohn]

McHale scored 56 against Detroit for the Celtics record. Six days later Bird dropped 60 on Atlanta in New Orleans in the greatest long distance shooting exhibition I had ever seen. The Hawks bench players seem to agree, as you'll see in this video.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiB9_m8kK_KAhXDLyYKHWMEBx0Q3ywIHjAA&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rto2_oYVs0I&usg=AFQjCNFu26VkiZ630FxOeXcQ3ma3tiwLVw&sig2=O9KALYn45aRtKs4pk9BWIg

That was an amazing performance, I also like the one where he shot lefty for the hell of it and dropped 47 on Portland.

 

[pnow15]

Forgotten is this argument is the fact that McHale was one of the best defensive players in the league. He drew the other guys studs while Bird got to rest in the paint waiting for the rebound. Bird had DJ, McHale and Parish to cover the fact that he was two steps to slow to cover the likes of Dominic, Bernard or Dr. J.

 

[champs99and04]

I'd have Garnett ahead of Malone

 

[sdhusky]

Yes. Absolutely. Few players could do what McHale did that series. In the history of the NBA. Unfortunately, he was a one-man band.

He averaged 26 points a game.

He wasn't the MVP.

And his team lost.

Who else thinks that is an all-time great finals performance?

 

[lne001]

Bird had DJ, McHale and Parish to cover the fact that he was two steps to slow to cover the likes of Dominic, Bernard or Dr. J.

Funny you picked the three guys that Bird owned; he would score 2 on them for every 1 of theirs. He was better offensively and I guess better defensively than them.

I won't even talk about his passing, of which McHale and Parrish were the prime beneficiaries. I won't talk, but here's a video.

 

[pnow15]

No, he is smarter than everyone else. Of course, he is smarter anyone associated with the NBA.

I can't wait to see him explain this away - and I promise he won't back down an inch.

What name is missing from this list?

1984-85 NBA Awards Voting
Most Valuable Player

Voting Per Game Shooting Advanced
Rank Player Age Tm First Pts Won Pts Max Share G MP PTS TRB AST STL BLK FG% 3P% FT% Win Shares
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1 Larry Bird 28 BOS 73.0 763.0 780 0.978 80 39.5 28.7 10.5 6.6 1.6 1.2 .522 .427 .882 15.7 .238
2 Magic Johnson 25 LAL 1.0 264.0 780 0.338 77 36.1 18.3 6.2 12.6 1.5 0.3 .561 .189 .843 12.7 .220
3 Moses Malone 29 PHI 0.0 218.0 780 0.279 79 37.4 24.6 13.1 1.6 0.8 1.6 .469 .000 .815 11.9 .193
4 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 37 LAL 0.0 206.0 780 0.264 79 33.3 22.0 7.9 3.2 0.8 2.1 .599 .000 .732 11.2 .204
5 Terry Cummings 23 MIL 2.0 138.0 780 0.177 79 34.5 23.6 9.1 2.9 1.5 0.8 .495 .000 .741 10.7 .189
6 Michael Jordan 21 CHI 2.0 134.0 780 0.172 82 38.3 28.2 6.5 5.9 2.4 0.8 .515 .173 .845 14.0 .213
7 Bernard King 28 NYK 0.0 70.0 780 0.090 55 37.5 32.9 5.8 3.7 1.3 0.3 .530 .100 .772 7.1 .166
8 Sidney Moncrief 27 MIL 0.0 65.0 780 0.083 73 37.5 21.7 5.4 5.2 1.6 0.5 .483 .273 .828 11.2 .197
9 Isiah Thomas 23 DET 0.0 63.0 780 0.081 81 38.1 21.2 4.5 13.9 2.3 0.3 .458 .257 .809 11.2 .173
10 Ralph Sampson 24 HOU 0.0 26.0 780 0.033 82 37.6 22.1 10.4 2.7 1.0 2.0 .502 .000 .676 6.2 .096
11 Calvin Natt 28 DEN 0.0 22.0 780 0.028 78 34.1 23.3 7.8 3.1 1.0 0.4 .546 .000 .793 10.2 .185
12T Alex English 31 DEN 0.0 12.0 780 0.015 81 36.1 27.9 5.7 4.2 1.2 0.6 .518 .200 .829 8.9 .146
12T Hakeem Olajuwon 22 HOU 0.0 12.0 780 0.015 82 35.5 20.6 11.9 1.4 1.2 2.7 .538 .613 10.2 .168
14 Micheal Ray Richardson 29 NJN 0.0 11.0 780 0.014 82 38.1 20.1 5.6 8.2 3.0 0.3 .469 .252 .767 8.7 .134
15 Andrew Toney 27 PHI 0.0 5.0 780 0.006 70 32.0 17.8 2.5 5.2 0.9 0.3 .492 .371 .862 5.5 .118
16 Mark Eaton 28 UTA 0.0 4.0 780 0.005 82 34.3 9.7 11.3 1.5 0.4 5.6 .449 .712 5.4 .093
17T Paul Pressey 26 MIL 0.0 3.0 780 0.004 80 36.0 16.1 5.4 6.8 1.6 0.7 .517 .350 .758 9.6 .160
17T Jack Sikma 29 SEA 0.0 3.0 780 0.004 68 35.3 18.5 10.6 4.2 1.2 1.3 .489 .200 .852 8.3 .166
17T Dominique Wilkins 25 ATL 0.0 3.0 780 0.004 81 37.3 27.4 6.9 2.5 1.7 0.7 .451 .309 .806 7.6 .121
20T World B. Free 31 CLE 0.0 2.0 780 0.003 71 31.7 22.5 3.0 4.5 1.1 0.2 .459 .368 .749 6.0 .127
20T Purvis Short 27 GSW 0.0 2.0 780 0.003 78 39.5 28.0 5.1 3.0 1.5 0.3 .460 .313 .817 6.2 .097
22T Clyde Drexler 22 POR 0.0 1.0 780 0.001 80 31.9 17.2 6.0 5.5 2.2 0.9 .494 .216 .759 7.5 .141
22T Julius Erving 34 PHI 0.0 1.0 780 0.001 78 32.5 20.0 5.3 3.0 1.7 1.4 .494 .214 .765 7.6 .144

We always knew that Paul Pressey, Michael Ray Richardson, World B Free, Purvis Short, Mark Easton, Andrew Toney, Calvin Natt and Terry Cummings were all better players than Kevin McHale.

And this is proof? Its nonsense.

 

[pnow15]

Funny you picked the three guys that Bird owned; he would score 2 on them for every 1 of theirs. He was better offensively and I guess better defensively than them.

I won't even talk about his passing, of which McHale and Parrish were the prime beneficiaries. I won't talk, but here's a video.

Yes, because the Celtics used McHale to guard King on the low post while Bird took notes.

 

[Gurleyman]

McHale was awesome - really couldn't be stopped on the block. Had a fadeaway that was money and it set everything else up where he could beat you with his third and fourth move.

But I believe that the term "black hole" was first used as a basketball term to describe him. Perhaps someone had that tag before him, but I remember it being used for McHale and causing some light hearted laughter. Bird's passing sets him apart. They were both top flight scorers and rebounders, but Bird was one of the best passers in the league too.

And, for the record, I hated both of them back then - except for when McHale had a funny cameo on Cheers.

 

[CallMeBruce]

I'm shocked, shocked to see Celtics fans wildly overrating a former Celtic. Boston sports fans are so predictable. McHale belongs no higher than 6th on that list, and it's a distant 6th. Duncan, Malone, Garnett, Dirk, and Barkley are the five best PFs of all-time according to everyone who isn't a Celtics fan.

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

And, for the record, I hated both of them back then - except for when McHale had a funny cameo on Cheers.

The ringer for the Gary's Old Towne Tavern game. Great episode.

 

[tzznandrew]

Is Rodman really the 10th best PF or all time? I mean, I know he was a great rebounder and strong defender, but offense has to play a role in this too, right?

Shayes? Kemp? I don't know.

 

[superjohn]

This is one of the dumber threads on this board, McHale had some of the best post moves ever but comparing him to Bird or saying McHale at his best is better than Bird at his best is duck*ing idiotic, not shocking that upstater and pnow would try and make this argument.

 

[superjohn]

I'm shocked, shocked to see Celtics fans wildly overrating a former Celtic. Boston sports fans are so predictable. McHale belongs no higher than 6th on that list, and it's a distant 6th. Duncan, Malone, Garnett, Dirk, and Barkley are the five best PFs of all-time according to everyone who isn't a Celtics fan.

Yup but this is new ground, overrating one of their own so much that they are detracting from one of their own who is the much better player. Sixth is a very favorable rating for McHale yet a couple here seem to think it's a slight, Pettit and Hayes could easily be ahead of McHale. He was a couple of decades before so it's a bit hard to compare but Pettit's numbers and accomplishments destroy McHale's.

 

[Chin Diesel]

Definitely think Hayes is a few spots underrated. I"D put him 4-5.

 

[Kitaman]

Does anyone remember a forward by the name of Connie Hawkins? He would dominate a few of those listed.

 

[A10 fan]

Does anyone remember a forward by the name of Connie Hawkins? He would dominate a few of those listed.

Unfortunately, we missed the Hawk at his peak. As for Bird, among forwards, only Duncan, and Lebron can really be mentioned in the same breath with him. Dirk, Dr. J, Malone, and a few others are in the next group.

 

[UConn990411]

I'm shocked, shocked to see Celtics fans wildly overrating a former Celtic. Boston sports fans are so predictable. McHale belongs no higher than 6th on that list, and it's a distant 6th. Duncan, Malone, Garnett, Dirk, and Barkley are the five best PFs of all-time according to everyone who isn't a Celtics fan.

Right, Boston fans are the only ones who overrate their former players...