This whole conversation reminds me that term "hard roll" means a whole different thing here in CA. When I moved here 35 years ago, I asked someone where they had good hard rolls . The person replied, like old bread? I didn't know what else to call them, that's what people called them my whole life. Here they're mostly called Kaiser rolls, sometimes just sandwich rolls. Now that I think of it, I don't think I've had a REALLY good hard roll in decades. Something to add to the Food Tour list for my next visit east.