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OT: Sox game last night....question for you

Yes I agree. But the guy’s forearm is bent back and his hand is bent further back from his wrist in the manner that someone who had played baseball would actually try to catch a baseball.

I’m not saying your wrong. I just don’t think it’s particularly clear, and in such cases the decision made by the umpire on the field is upheld.
It's definitely not clear. I just used known points (hand on the wall) to try to figure out where people were. After doing that, I'm pretty confident that the fans were in the field of play.
 
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Watch Mookie's left arm. He's at the wall, jumps and his arm is not straight up. He reaches into the space on the fan's side of the wall. Everyone in the booth and in the studio saw it the same way. I watched the game and the post game show. At the high cost of lost sleep.

If that's the way YOU see it, then that's how you see it. I, personally, did not see it that way, I saw Betts leap in the air a few feet away from the wall with his arm angled back. At the point of interference he was exactly over the wall and then his momentum carried him and his arm further back into the crowd.
 
If you watch the video and you see that Betts was not at the wall at the time of the interference, his body crashes into the wall half a second later so while his arm was slightly closer to the wall than his body it had not yet crossed that plane. No question the ball was going to crass the wall for a home run - that has nothing to do with the issue. The issue is simply where the contact with the fan occurred and based on the photo, to me it is clear that the fans arms have crossed the plane of the wall and are in the field of play at contact with both the ball and Betts glove.

As to the question of home run or not, if the fan touched the ball first in the field of play without interferring with Betts, it is a double though it likely would have been ruled a home run before replay and likely not overturned.

I liked the Astros managers comments after the game, he wasn't happy, but he also did everything he could to defuse the 'controversy' and was respectful of the process.
 
It's definitely not clear. I just used known points (hand on the wall) to try to figure out where people were. After doing that, I'm pretty confident that the fans were in the field of play.
It will be one of those forever sports arguments, like the immaculate reception (Did Franco Harris catch the ball before it hit the turf?).
 
In a best of 7 series, the best team wins. Not going to strain my eyes. :rolleyes:
 
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It will be one of those forever sports arguments, like the immaculate reception (Did Franco Harris catch the ball before it hit the turf?).
I welcome this opportunity to clear up what seems to a point of contention here. Franco Harris caught that ball. If he hadn't, it would not have been called the immaculate reception. The reception part means it was a catch. Mr Art Rooney ,Sr , the owner of the Steelers, was a devout Roman Catholic ( and a ward boss, and an inveterate gambler) and hence the Immaculate part. I was not at that game, didn't get my season tickets until 1974, but absolutely everyone in the stadium said he caught it. As a matter of fact, over the years I met many people in bars around Pittsburgh who were not there, and they even said he caught it. I have evidence of people who were not even born yet that swear he caught it. If today we were to go to Primanti Brothers or some other Pittsburgh landmark, everyone there would say he caught it. Frenchy Fuqua, he of the goldfish in his platform heels ,was the intended target; however Jack Tatum collided with Frenchy and the rest is history. And of course Tatum claims the ball hit Fuqua making it an illegal catch, but Tatum went to Ohio State and played for Woody Hayes so no one on earth could possibly believe him. Surely, in the face of such overwhelming evidence, we can all put this to rest and get on with something nowhere near as important to fuss about! I rest my case, ladies and gentleman of the Boneyard.
 
I welcome this opportunity to clear up what seems to a point of contention here. Franco Harris caught that ball. If he hadn't, it would not have been called the immaculate reception. The reception part means it was a catch. Mr Art Rooney ,Sr , the owner of the Steelers, was a devout Roman Catholic ( and a ward boss, and an inveterate gambler) and hence the Immaculate part. I was not at that game, didn't get my season tickets until 1974, but absolutely everyone in the stadium said he caught it. As a matter of fact, over the years I met many people in bars around Pittsburgh who were not there, and they even said he caught it. I have evidence of people who were not even born yet that swear he caught it. If today we were to go to Primanti Brothers or some other Pittsburgh landmark, everyone there would say he caught it. Frenchy Fuqua, he of the goldfish in his platform heels ,was the intended target; however Jack Tatum collided with Frenchy and the rest is history. And of course Tatum claims the ball hit Fuqua making it an illegal catch, but Tatum went to Ohio State and played for Woody Hayes so no one on earth could possibly believe him. Surely, in the face of such overwhelming evidence, we can all put this to rest and get on with something nowhere near as important to fuss about! I rest my case, ladies and gentleman of the Boneyard.
I have a good friend I've known for many years by the name of Phil Villapiano. He's adamant that the ball hit the ground. In addition he swears he was clipped on the play by a Pittsburgh player, or he would have made the tackle. I believe there's an NFL film on the Immaculate Reception, with Franco, Phil and a bunch of other Steelers and Raiders who played in that game. Great entertainment if you ever have the opportunity to watch it.
 
I have a good friend I've known for many years by the name of Phil Villapiano. He's adamant that the ball hit the ground. In addition he swears he was clipped on the play by a Pittsburgh player, or he would have made the tackle. I believe there's an NFL film on the Immaculate Reception, with Franco, Phil and a bunch of other Steelers and Raiders who played in that game. Great entertainment if you ever have the opportunity to watch it.
I have seen it. And I respect Villapiano as a player. Man ,he was fast! And I would never question his veracity. I do not know about the clipping , and it did not get called so... The real controversy was if the ball hit Tatum or Fuqua , and whether or not it was a legal catch. As I said, no one believes Tatum, the whole Buckeye/Woody Hayes moral dilemma tainting anything from that rural area just west of Pennsylvania. (Do you know how flat that place is ,sheesh ) But Franco caught that ball. My guess is that Villapiano, having flown in from California to play, was most likely suffering from jet lag causing his perception to be misguided. I was taught that the punishment for heresy was eternal damnation, and I will never waver in my belief in the Immaculate Reception. :D:eek::rolleyes:
 
I have seen it. And I respect Villapiano as a player. Man ,he was fast! And I would never question his veracity.
I respect Phil as a player. But quite frankly I would definitely question his veracity. ;)
 
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Alydar: I did not see the fan touch the ball...maybe I just missed it. But if he did not touch it and Mookie reached over the home run line and batted the ball back i to the field of play that is not a home run. You can legally catch the ball over the home run line...and/or miss the catch but hit it back to the field of play...live ball...as long as it doesn't touch anything over the line while you are doing it.

Pedro Gomez...analyst... said he thought it was interference immediately and then used the picture argument above to prove his point.
 

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