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Whatever Russians think of him, promoting Pizza Hut was the worst thing he ever did. :eek:
He was kinda just sitting there eating slices with komrades. Not promoting anything.
 
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He was kinda just sitting there eating slices with komrades. Not promoting anything.
When you're in a commercial and getting paid for it then you are technically promoting a product. ;)
 
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His name always sounded like an upscale blender to me. The Gorba Chef. No kitchen should be without it.

RIP big guy.
 
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That historic week , I had an opportunity be in the Soviet Union , giving a presentation on manufacturing measurement techniques to improve product mix.
Gorbachev was trying desperately to modernize the Soviet Union‘s manufacturing into a more consumer friendly systems hence a group from my professional association was invited.
There was an attempted coup by old time Communist bosses that week and Gorbachev was under house arrest. I believe at an unknown location . I also believe there were rumors of assassination
It almost resulted in civil war , given the Soviet nuclear arsenal and 11,000,000 men army It was pretty scary , but it was stopped with little bloodshed and he was released.
He was a historically Important figure in the 20th century and his changes were extremely courageous given the old Soviet system.
 
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A great man with huge Huevos to go against the Soviet autocratic system. May he rest in peace.

I suggest reading "The Romanovs" to get a decent understanding on how Russia was ruled for 300 years, how those rulers affected the average Russian citizen, why the Russian Revolution occurred because of that history, and why the Soviets ruled the way they did. Bottom line: Brutal Autocracy was the only game in town for 300+ years and they just followed the tradition, so much so, that the Soviet brutality was worse than that of the Tsars. Irony at its finest.
 
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No need to shed a tear, he was another murderer. The Western view of Gorbachev is very different from many Eastern Europeans.
 

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There was a great Poli Sci class on communism that I took at UConn in 1992. The professor was a short, skinny guy that was abrasive at times, but he really knew his stuff and it was a great class.

A lot of Gorbachev's power came from the KGB, which is why Gorbachev had the ability to take on the Soviet system at all. Andropov, Head of the KGB in the 70's, put Gorbachev on the Politburo, and brought a lot of reformers into senior leadership positions. Andropov was not doing this out of the goodness of his heart, because he was ruthless and directly responsible for the torture and murder of thousands, but because the KGB knew that the Soviet Union was failing and was not going to survive for long. The Soviet economy was dying by the early 80's and shortages were beginning to lead to unrest.

Promoting Gorbachev and the other reformers, including an alcoholic from the Urals named Boris Yeltsin, was not done out of some moral epiphany by Andropov, but out of survival instinct, recognizing that the USSR was losing the Cold War badly and that communism was not going to make it. Deng Xiaoping had reached a similar conclusion in China, and was able to clear the Maoists out of government by the mid-80's.

Gorbachev was something of an idiot when it came to managing the politics of the Soviet Union. Virtually all the reformers and the CIA warned Gorbachev that a coup attempt was imminent in the summer of 1991. Gorbachev inexplicably went on vacation to the Crimea at the beginning of August, effectively putting himself in a prison where the coup plotters could isolate him. Yeltsin escaped capture and got to the Russian White House to lead resistance to the coup, which, together with the coup plotters' incompetence, enabled Yeltsin to emerge victorious.

It is unfortunate that Yeltsin was such an alcoholic. He could have truly been Russia's George Washington.
 

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The Good old days.....

anyone remember these?

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No need to shed a tear, he was another murderer. The Western view of Gorbachev is very different from many Eastern Europeans.
Correction: most C & E Europeans, e.g., Lithuanians, Georgians, etc who vividly recall tanks Gorbachev deployed to quell protests and stoke violent crackdowns. A failed leader, least bad of evil predecessor Soviet and subsequent RuZZian leaders, albeit sugar coated or white washed by many in the west.

"He was a criminal who ordered to ruthlessly crack down on peaceful protests in Vilnius, Tbilisi, Almaty, Baku and other cities. There was no remorse. Such is the memory left on us, even though we should never speak ill of the dead. But not this time. The only eventual benefit is that he signed the capitulation of the Soviet Union,” Lithuanian Defense Minister Arvydas Anusauskas said.​
 

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