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superjohn said:
You just don't like the sport, it's not for everyone.
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I played it when I was younger and don’t mind it as a sport at its core; I just reject this notion that fighting is some immutable “part” of the sport. I think it is so lame and reflects poorly on people who see the sport as “I went to a fight and a hockey game happened”... grow up. Watch boxing or MMA. I think hockey is stupid exclusively over the ongoing embracing of fighting. It’s boring, only interrupts action, nobody cares about the outcome. It’s even more lame than the self-policing culture of pitchers hitting batters.

I find it so interesting, the cultures of fighting that were present in both white-dominated hockey and black-dominated basketball. One league was a group of thugs and if David Stern didn’t start severely punishing fights, the league was going down; the other league, it’s celebrated. I’m not shocked to see the sentiments of the older crowd here.
 
If they took fighting out of hockey I'd miss it for exactly 1 second. It already barely happens because of the new penalties, and there's no real reason for it other than nostalgia for old fans
 
Rocktheworld said:
I played it when I was younger and don’t mind it as a sport at its core; I just reject this notion that fighting is some immutable “part” of the sport. I think it is so lame and reflects poorly on people who see the sport as “I went to a fight and a hockey game happened”... grow up. Watch boxing or MMA. I think hockey is stupid exclusively over the ongoing embracing of fighting. It’s boring, only interrupts action, nobody cares about the outcome. It’s even more lame than the self-policing culture of pitchers hitting batters.

I find it so interesting, the cultures of fighting that were present in both white-dominated hockey and black-dominated basketball. One league was a group of thugs and if David Stern didn’t start severely punishing fights, the league was going down; the other league, it’s celebrated. I’m not shocked to see the sentiments of the older crowd here.
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I'm definitely not young but not sure I'm the older crowd on this board at 41. There used to be hard fouls and fights in the NBA and I miss that but it's nothing like hockey, it's never been core to the sport. Fighting is just a part of the game like, checking, slap shots etc. It's there from when you learn how to play and the physicality and fighting only amps up as you get older. Best fight I ever saw was at a New England prep school game.
 
superjohn said:
I'm definitely not young but not sure I'm the older crowd on this board at 41. There used to be hard fouls and fights in the NBA and I miss that but it's nothing like hockey, it's never been core to the sport. Fighting is just a part of the game like, checking, slap shots etc. It's there from when you learn how to play and the physicality and fighting only amps up as you get older. Best fight I ever saw was at a New England prep school game.
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Getting rid of fighting would be like not allowing cars to rub in NASCAR.
Fights & wrecks, what keep the casuals to occasionally tune into these sports
 
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superjohn said:
I'm definitely not young but not sure I'm the older crowd on this board at 41. There used to be hard fouls and fights in the NBA and I miss that but it's nothing like hockey, it's never been core to the sport. Fighting is just a part of the game like, checking, slap shots etc. It's there from when you learn how to play and the physicality and fighting only amps up as you get older. Best fight I ever saw was at a New England prep school game.
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And this is all incredibly stupid.
 
MDHuskFan said:
Getting rid of fighting would be like not allowing cars to rub in NASCAR.
Fights & wrecks, what keep the casuals to occasionally tune into these sports
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And that is incredibly stupid.

Whoever watches hockey hoping for/because of fights is a mental child
 
MDHuskFan said:
Getting rid of fighting would be like not allowing cars to rub in NASCAR.
Fights & wrecks, what keep the casuals to occasionally tune into these sports
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I'm definitely a casual, it's pretty far down my list of favorite sports but I always enjoyed playoff hockey and I always enjoyed the threat of a brawl breaking out at any second. For a couple of seasons we basically only went to Whalers games to watch Scott Daniels and Stu Grimson fight people.
 
navery12 said:
If they took fighting out of hockey I'd miss it for exactly 1 second. It already barely happens because of the new penalties, and there's no real reason for it other than nostalgia for old fans
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your soft as hell.
 
Salty Dog said:
your soft as hell.
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What a dumb duck___ post.

Whether or not you agree with him, he's not entirely wrong that fighting (a) happens much less than it used to; (b) is less necessary than it used to be because of the emphasis on speed and skill at the expense of physicality; and (c) there are only a handful of true tough guys still in the league. Scott Stevens would be banned for life these days for hits that were barely even called back in the day. It's a completely different game.

Imagine calling someone "soft" for making an observation. And then spelling "your" wrong when you did it.
 
Back in the day most teams had their "goons." Some were just balloon knots with zero hockey skills.

Then you had crowd faves like Torrie Robertson and Dave "Cement Head" Semenko.

I have barely watched hockey since the Whale left. Sad, but true, as I loved the NHL and the Whalers. I tried to follow the Canadiens for a short time and could not latch on to the Bruins or Rangers. Ah, well.

I loved a good fight now and then.
 
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No one in their right mind goes to a hockey game with their first thought being “I hope there’s a fight”. When it happens especially in person is fun to watch.
 
Dove said:
Back in the day most teams had their "goons." Some were just balloon knots with zero hockey skills.
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yeah, and god forbid we lose out on that beautiful tradition
 
The children everyone save the children from the horror of fighting.
 
Hey Adrien! said:
The whole game felt weird and contrived.

Loved how Smith went after Wilson, but the Rangers absolutely need to get tougher next year. Their current players have an ability to stand up for themselves, but they need to add some muscle to "back up" the current players they have.

Also, hours before the game, the Rangers fire their GM and President.

What a weird week for Rangers fans.
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The Hansons!
 
I am so happy I am out of the NY sports scene, especially for hockey and bball. I still love my Gints and Mets but the rest I am retired to Tampa and enjoying good hockey
 
Scoe said:
The children everyone save the children from the horror of fighting.
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Please don’t take the men-children’s play thing away

Just say it son, whip up a (preferably coherent) sentence that includes “pussification of America”
 
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Rocktheworld said:
yeah, and god forbid we lose out on that beautiful tradition
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It's a great tradition for a lot of people who love the sport and for some casual fans. It doesn't have to float your boat, people like different things.
 
superjohn said:
It's a great tradition for a lot of people who love the sport and for some casual fans. It doesn't have to float your boat, people like different things.
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It perplexes me to no end when I observe it, but don’t worry; not losing sleep over this.

Think you could delineate how it is a “great” tradition? Like if hockey was never played again after today, what would you tell your grandkids

“And they interrupted play constantly to fight! In fact for most of the sport’s history, guys who couldn’t even play particularly well were recruited just to fight! No, it had no impact on the game itself but man, what a tradition...

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And that, Johnny, is why extraneous fighting was such a critical and great part of watching professional athletes play hockey.”
 
Buchnevich got a one-game suspension after his cross-check to Mantha.

Glad to hear the Bruins tonight will be saved from the over-the-line antics of goons like Buchnevich.
 
Rocktheworld said:
It perplexes me to no end when I observe it, but don’t worry; not losing sleep over this.

Think you could delineate how it is a “great” tradition? Like if hockey was never played again after today, what would you tell your grandkids

“And they interrupted play constantly to fight! In fact for most of the sport’s history, guys who couldn’t even play particularly well were recruited just to fight! No, it had no impact on the game itself but man, what a tradition...

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And that, Johnny, is why extraneous fighting was such a critical and great part of watching professional athletes play hockey.”
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It's always had a huge impact on the game. I'm sure people will have those conversations with "Johnny" telling him about how there used to be hitting in football and basketball players used to foul each other hard when they came down the lane and they weren't ejected, superstars threw punches at each other and it wasn't the end of the world. It only added to the strategy/action/drama of the sport.
 
superjohn said:
It's always had a huge impact on the game. I'm sure people will have those conversations with "Johnny" telling him about how there used to be hitting in football and basketball players used to foul each other hard when they came down the lane and they weren't ejected, superstars threw punches at each other and it wasn't the end of the world. It only added to the strategy/action/drama of the sport.
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Fighting added to strategy of a sport LMAOOO yeah the NBA got rid of hard fouling and obviously fights because they saw that it didn’t belong in professional sports.

I think I’m good now you all have a good thread
 
Haven't watched hockey in the last couple of decades, but back in the day, the playoffs were like a whole different sport. Playoff hockey was way better than the regular season, and for the most part had little to no fighting; so the notion that somehow fighting is integral to the game is nonsense. Has that changed ?

Have read several accounts of former enforcer/goons. Many of these guys couldn't make it on skills alone, so their only road to a NHL paycheck was with their fists. They generally don't feel good about it, and the stories I've read include CTE, depression, drug addiction, homelessness, and suicide. Buy hey - fighting gets the crowd going, and keeps the cash register ringing.
 
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Rocktheworld said:
Fighting added to strategy of a sport
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Weird hill to die on. For a long time fighting was a way to police misconduct in the sport. If you took a run at another team's best skill guy, you were gonna get pummeled or your team's tough guy was gonna get pummeled. If your team was sluggish and uninspired your tough guy was going to fight someone to fire up your team. These are, to me, unimpeachable truths about the game. It's much, much less prevalent now - the game is more about speed and skill and less about hitting and violence - but it's still around. It seems odd to deny that it's inextricably bound up with the sport.
 
BigErnMcCracken said:
Weird hill to die on. For a long time fighting was a way to police misconduct in the sport. If you took a run at another team's best skill guy, you were gonna get pummeled or your team's tough guy was gonna get pummeled. If your team was sluggish and uninspired your tough guy was going to fight someone to fire up your team. These are, to me, unimpeachable truths about the game. It's much, much less prevalent now - the game is more about speed and skill and less about hitting and violence - but it's still around. It seems odd to deny that it's inextricably bound up with the sport.
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“For a long time”

Okay, great. Every other sport has moved on from this. Football doesn’t tolerate it, basketball doesn’t tolerate it, soccer never tolerated it, baseball will do more than fine 5k for the baseball equivalent of punching a guy’s face in to solid ice. It’s stupid, it’s lame, it should be unbecoming, nobody needs it.

But yeah I’m the one dying on a hill lol
 
Rocktheworld said:
Fighting added to strategy of a sport LMAOOO yeah the NBA got rid of hard fouling and obviously fights because they saw that it didn’t belong in professional sports.

I think I’m good now you all have a good thread
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Of course it added to strategy.
 
I'm a Rangers fan and it was a sideshow a few days late. Appreciate the effort but we got our asses beat in every single glove drop.

I'm no hockey expert but I know what type of crew to roll with. We're missing a few pieces of armor that protect the village's craftsmen. I'm afraid to criticize Dolan in case it leads to him screwing up a fantastic Knicks season. But I agree with his drastic moves and think Chris Drury is the right man at the right time.
 
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