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Message: [QUOTE="gtcam, post: 2656655, member: 2844"] CT are good, even better when on sale! I find Brooks Brothers to be true to size and hold up great - just make sure you know if you are a blue or red label Got 3 PFs a few years ago - 2 are good, 1 did not hold up - they offered to take it back but I got too lazy Oh yeah - Proper Cloth - I have never tried them but two of my friends have and the reviews were mixed - the initial offer is good but one thinks the price does not fit the quality - again I have never tried them myself For cheap and hard to find sizes - try Van Huesan (sic) at the outlets - you'll get at least a year out of them [/QUOTE]