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As far as this season, I think Stafford is the pick but Maye has been incredible. He just isn’t as valuable to their team as Stafford is, in my opinion.

I do think there’s an element to Stafford deserving it, too. Fair or not.
 
Deepster said:
I would say the likelihood of them drafting a decent qb is no better or less than every other team. Do I need to list all the whiffs? Anthony Richardson. Bryce Young. Trey Lance. Johnny Manziel. Jameis Winston.

After watching the last few weeks I have no faith in Glenn to be the guy who can draft and develop a young QB so the future looks bad.
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Darnold looks decent now that he's not on the Jets. So maybe there is hope for Wilson one day.
 
Vuce said:
I think Ohio State could hang 28 points on the Jets. They are legit the worst franchise in the NFL by a wide margin
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Somehow they have more wins than the giants this year!
 
Kemba15 said:
Somehow they have more wins than the giants this year!
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Jets point differential is the worst in the NFL. Only the Raiders and Titans have a chance to catch them. Almost two guaranteed wins every year if you are the Pats, Bills and Dolphins
 
Mr. French said:
We can go back and forth, but
a) I didn’t say that he can’t win 2 years in a row.

He can’t logically win 1 year due to more team success and then also the next year when he had more counting stats. It was flipped both years. Interceptions are only 1 factor.

Allen also had 22 more TDs than Lamar in 2023…he led the league in TDs and yards. Lamar had 29 total TDs, Allen had 51 lol.

b) For Lamar’s “historic” season in 24, Allen had a better QBR.

How you could reasonably say Lamar was the rightful 23 mvp (fine) AND 24 is against logic.
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You just outright lied twice here for no reason. Allen had 43 touchdowns in 2023. Not 51. He also didn’t have a better QBR than Lamar last year. On top of that, Allen was 8th last year in Passer Rating among qualifying QBs.

Your final point, again, simply doesn’t make sense. MVPs aren’t compared to the previous winner, they are compared to the rest of the league THAT season.
 
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Mr. French said:
As far as this season, I think Stafford is the pick but Maye has been incredible. He just isn’t as valuable to their team as Stafford is, in my opinion.

I do think there’s an element to Stafford deserving it, too. Fair or not.
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I am a Pats fan and I love Maye. But Staffords numbers are great (40 and 5, cmon) and he’s playing in the toughest division in football this year. He deserves it.

But anyone who says Maye isn’t even in the conversation, or should be behind Allen, is just a moron.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
You just outright lied twice here for no reason. Allen had 43 touchdowns in 2023. Not 51. He also didn’t have a better QBR than Lamar last year. On top of that, Allen was 8th last year in Passer Rating among qualifying QBs.

Your final point, again, simply doesn’t make sense. MVPs aren’t compared to the previous winner, they are compared to the rest of the league THAT season.
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I must have included playoffs, sorry. He still out scored him in TDs by a HUGE amount.

But I looked on pro football reference and it said he did lead the league in QBR. I’m not worried about it, saying I outright lied for no reason sounds like a 12 year old, so we’ll leave it where it is.

My points remain and I guess lots of voters and others agree. I’m not sure what doesn’t make sense about my last point, you seem to disagree but it’s not hard to understand.
 
Mr. French said:
I must have included playoffs, sorry. He still out scored him in TDs by a HUGE amount.

But I looked on pro football reference and it said he did lead the league in QBR. I’m not worried about it, saying I outright lied for no reason sounds like a 12 year old, so we’ll leave it where it is.

My points remain and I guess lots of voters and others agree. I’m not sure what doesn’t make sense about my last point, you seem to disagree but it’s not hard to understand.
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Because it’s not against logic. And again, Lamar may not have fully deserved it in ‘23. But Josh wasn’t even really close in the voting. He didn’t deserve it.
 
CardiacAndre7 said:
Because it’s not against logic. And again, Lamar may not have fully deserved it in ‘23. But Josh wasn’t even really close in the voting. He didn’t deserve it.
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That’s not even my argument.
 
Mr. French said:
As far as this season, I think Stafford is the pick but Maye has been incredible. He just isn’t as valuable to their team as Stafford is, in my opinion.

I do think there’s an element to Stafford deserving it, too. Fair or not.
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According to your logic, Maye deserves it.
 
Mr. French said:
We can go back and forth, but
a) I didn’t say that he can’t win 2 years in a row.

He can’t logically win 1 year due to more team success and then also the next year when he had more counting stats. It was flipped both years. Interceptions are only 1 factor.

Allen also had 22 more TDs than Lamar in 2023…he led the league in TDs and yards. Lamar had 29 total TDs, Allen had 51 lol.

b) For Lamar’s “historic” season in 24, Allen had a better QBR.

How you could reasonably say Lamar was the rightful 23 mvp (fine) AND 24 is against logic.
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Josh Allen threw 18 interceptions in 2023, so he was not statistically the best QB that year. Lamar threw 4 in 2024. Also, Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen tied for the highest QBR, and Lamar was first in nearly every advanced stat other than QBR.
 
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husky8273 said:
The Jets make the Giants look ok.
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Honestly the Jets played some of the most comical defense I've ever seen in an NFL game yesterday...and that includes the winless Browns and Lions teams.

I don't know if that is the Jets being an all-time bad defense, Drake Maye being that good... Probably a bit of column A and a bit of column B.
 
Mr. French said:
As far as this season, I think Stafford is the pick but Maye has been incredible. He just isn’t as valuable to their team as Stafford is, in my opinion.

I do think there’s an element to Stafford deserving it, too. Fair or not.
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I'd say the opposite is true. The Rams are good without Stafford. The Patriots would not be good without Maye. This is from before the Jets game.

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Stanford poops the bed against a damned good Falcons secondary that Maye handled despite much worse WR talent.
 
I honestly don’t care who wins MVP and don’t have a firm opinion but Maye shouldn’t get credit for the Jets game this week. They were the worst team in the history of the NFL in December.
 
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