OT: NBA Offseason

[bballgrda]

Going on a crash diet right after the finals does not equal great shape. He has been overweight his whole career, including when he returned from the Achilles. I agree with RTW's kinetic chain, but I also know that joint stress is cumulative. Cousin's weight has been an issue his whole career, and that is a lot of additional cumulative force on his ankles and knees. I can't think of another NBA star getting an Achilles injury as young as 28. Are you arguing his weight has nothing to do with that?

I suspect that the knee problems pre-date last week's tear, but we're not publicly known.

Off the top of my head Wes Matthews injured his Achilles when he was 29. The sample size of "NBA Star" is laughably low. Achilles tears are not that common. Shocking that it hasn't happened before.

 

[Rocktheworld]

You want to die on the "Boogie Cousins was in great shape" hill? Just making sure i got you to take that position.

That’s not a hill I’m anywhere near, bud

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Off the top of my head Wes Matthews injured his Achilles when he was 29. The sample size of "NBA Star" is laughably low. Achilles tears are not that common. Shocking that it hasn't happened before.

You think fat is better. Got it.

 

[the Q]

You think fat is better. Got it.

He seems to have lost a lot of weight before this injury.

DeMarcus Cousins Looks Super Skinny in Latest Photo From Lakers Facility

Los Angeles Lakers Center DeMarcus Cousins looks noticeably skinnier in new photo at Lakers facility

www.12up.com

Sometimes injuries just happen.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I wasn't even trolling, and I got 4 posters to defend Demarcus Cousins' conditioning. This is an NBA all-star who has had conditioning problems his whole career and now that career is effectively over. But yeah, those two facts are completely unrelated because....?

 

[superjohn]

I wasn't even trolling, and I got 4 posters to defend Demarcus Cousins' conditioning. This is an NBA all-star who has had conditioning problems his whole career and now that career is effectively over. But yeah, those two facts are completely unrelated because....?

What are you even arguing? A player's conditioning after being out for a year? Of course a player isn't going to be in top NBA game conditioning form after sitting out forever.

Cousins was probably the skinniest he's ever been in his career. Sucks for him.

 

[bballgrda]

What are you even arguing? A player's conditioning after being out for a year? Of course a player isn't going to be in top NBA game conditioning form after sitting out forever.

Cousins was probably the skinniest he's ever been in his career. Sucks for him.

I think a position someone could take was that his original achilles injury was, in some part, caused by his weight. That if he was skinnier maybe he wouldn't have gotten hurt. Then that injury played a role in the ones that followed.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

What are you even arguing? A player's conditioning after being out for a year? Of course a player isn't going to be in top NBA game conditioning form after sitting out forever.

Cousins was probably the skinniest he's ever been in his career. Sucks for him.

The Lakers got Cousins for $3.5 in the second week of free agency, after 29 teams passed on him. Maybe they all knew something that you didn't.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Lakers are a worse version of the 2017-2018 Pelicans. That was a pretty good team with a nice starting lineup and no depth to speak of that made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. That's the upside of this Lakers team.

That is probably as good a comparison as you will find for the Lakers, and I agree that the Lakers will be worse than the 2017-2018 Pelicans because:

1) Lakers don't even have a full starting lineup. They have Davis, Lebron, Green and Kuzma. Who is the 5th starter? McGee? The Pelicans had Davis, Holiday, Cousins then Mirotic, E'Twuan Moore (who had a really good season), and Rondo (who was aging pretty quickly even then).

2) The only Pelicans' starter over the age of 30 was Rondo, who was 31 when the season started. They could play a 25 year old Davis and 28 year old Moore and Holliday a lot of minutes. Even as young as the team was, they lost Cousins to injury in January, and the workload was probably a factor. Assuming McGee starts, 3 of the Lakers starters (Lebron, Green, McGee) will be over 30 when the season starts, as will Rondo. You can't load these guys up with minutes. Bradley and KCP are the only two of the Top 8 that can probably handle a lot of minutes. After the Top 8, it gets really grim.

3) That Pelicans team only won 48 games, and their first round win over Portland was considered a pretty big upset.

4) The Pelicans' bench that year, as bad as it was, is better than the Lakers' bench will be this year.

 

[superjohn]

The Lakers got Cousins for $3.5 in the second week of free agency, after 29 teams passed on him. Maybe they all knew something that you didn't.

Yes all the teams except for the Lakers knew Cousins is obese, they didn't all back away from him because of his injury history it was because he's obese.

It's a shame Durant let himself go and was so fat leading to a torn Achilles.

 

[superjohn]

 

[superjohn]

 

[Rocktheworld]

I wasn't even trolling, and I got 4 posters to defend Demarcus Cousins' conditioning. This is an NBA all-star who has had conditioning problems his whole career and now that career is effectively over. But yeah, those two facts are completely unrelated because....?

We know you’re not trolling. We know you’re actually as dumb as you post. You’re factually and logically wrong.

 

[Rocktheworld]

I think a position someone could take was that his original achilles injury was, in some part, caused by his weight. That if he was skinnier maybe he wouldn't have gotten hurt. Then that injury played a role in the ones that followed.

Which would be ridiculous. Are we now talking like Cousins was some 300# slob?

What are you even arguing?

Something like “he ate himself out of the league” lol

 

[bballgrda]

Which would be ridiculous. Are we now talking like Cousins was some 300# slob?

Something like “he ate himself out of the league” lol

Yeah I don't agree with it. His size is part of who he is. He was never obese or anything.

 

[gtcam]

I am not a doctor or pretend to be one
This type of injury can happen to anyone, any size, any weight, any color/creed/religion etc.
That being said, anyone who says that DC has taken care of himself is off their rocker, the guy yo yos his weight depending on whether he wants to train to stay fit or just wants to eat and be lazy - a mirror on how he approaches the game - hot and cold. It's in his "I don't give a crap" attitude.
He is not someone I would want to rely on or as a friend - never mind a teammate
I agree his size is part of who he is - but not anywhere in the sense that bballgrda does.

 

[superjohn]

I am not a doctor or pretend to be one
This type of injury can happen to anyone, any size, any weight, any color/creed/religion etc.
That being said, anyone who says that DC has taken care of himself is off their rocker, the guy yo yos his weight depending on whether he wants to train to stay fit or just wants to eat and be lazy - a mirror on how he approaches the game - hot and cold. It's in his "I don't give a crap" attitude.
He is not someone I would want to rely on or as a friend - never mind a teammate
I agree his size is part of who he is - but not anywhere in the sense that bballgrda does.

That's too bad for Boogie, he was dying to be your friend.

 

[navery12]

Yeah I don't agree with it. His size is part of who he is. He was never obese or anything.

He was one of the most explosive players in the league pre injury. It's crazy talk

 

[Rocktheworld]

Yeah I don't agree with it. His size is part of who he is. He was never obese or anything.

I don’t remember him ever playing above the rim a lot, coming down hard with his weight. Weight concerns related to injury are reserved for people like Zion.

 

[bballgrda]

He was one of the most explosive players in the league pre injury. It's crazy talk

I mean its nelson

 

[nelsonmuntz]

He was one of the most explosive players in the league pre injury. It's crazy talk

Huh?

DeMarcus Cousins Can’t Jump

The list of the 10 NBA players whose shots have been blocked most often this season includes many of the aggressive, diminutive guys you might expect: Isaiah Th…

fivethirtyeight.com

Cousin's said "I can't jump" once in an interview.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I mean its nelson

This post didn't age well.

 

[navery12]

Huh?

DeMarcus Cousins Can’t Jump

The list of the 10 NBA players whose shots have been blocked most often this season includes many of the aggressive, diminutive guys you might expect: Isaiah Th…

fivethirtyeight.com

Cousin's said "I can't jump" once in an interview.

It's like you never watched Cousins before his injury, he was bigger and faster than anyone trying to guard him

 

[the Q]

Huh?

DeMarcus Cousins Can’t Jump

The list of the 10 NBA players whose shots have been blocked most often this season includes many of the aggressive, diminutive guys you might expect: Isaiah Th…

fivethirtyeight.com

Cousin's said "I can't jump" once in an interview.

He had a 27.5 inch very at the combine.

He’s certainly not an elite athlete. But he can’t jump is probably pushing it too.

 

[navery12]

 

[Rocktheworld]

Lol it’s the land of misfit bigs

 

[superjohn]

They should bring back George Mikan.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

It's like you never watched Cousins before his injury, he was bigger and faster than anyone trying to guard him

It's like you can't read. Cousins was the one that said "I can't jump".

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I like the Dwight Howard signing. He is only one season removed from 16.6/12.5 season, and a season off late in the career can be rejuvenating for some players. Howard may be the only free agent that could really be a difference maker if he gets his act together.

On the downside, Dwight Howard remains a jerk, and the likelihood of him making it through the season without pissing his teammates off is pretty low. There also aren't a lot of data points on recoveries from ass surgery, so we will have to reserve judgment on that for a while.

I am a little surprised that Howard agreed to the contract he signed. He could have played the "I am a new man" schtick for much more money once injuries started happening during the season. Howard's loss could be the Laker's gain.

 

[navery12]

It's like you can't read. Cousins was the one that said "I can't jump".

Yes, which is why I said he's explosive, bigger, and faster. Not that he jumps really high