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Not like it matters. The NCAA will never touch their golden child in Chapel Hill.
 
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Not looking good for UNC! The athletic department might be entangled in these class frauds, and the university may be trying to hide this.
 
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Another holier than thou program see PSU cheating and getting caught.
 
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Copy of the transcript in this thread linked: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=178&f=2515&t=9224321&p=1

All I can say is wow to how awful that transcript is, despite those easy classes. If UNC isn't punished by the NCAA, I'm going to lose it.

I think that there is a justified pessimism on this board about the NCAA, and transgressions by other programs, but I don't see this one going away. The CBS Website even published Pepper's transcript, and ESPN reminded readers that Pepper's played on the 2000 Final Four team (in a reserve role). Time will tell if the NCAA has the guts to vacate it.
 
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I'm sort of confused here. So a random person's transcript was just for display for everyone on UNC's website? Just seems really bizarre.

It turned out to be Pepper's transcript. UNC is investigating how it got out.
 

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The NCAA issued a statement late this evening.

"We're aware of the recent news about more potential shenanigans at the University of North Carolina. We at the NCAA take academics very seriously....HEY, HOLY duck*! IS THAT A FLYING MONKEY?! Everyone! Look at the flying monkeys! We all better go hide and get back to this later!"

And then it kinda just trails off.
 
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Flying monkeys are a major violation and entirely within the purview of the NCAA because they 'fly' against the face of the well known mission of the NCAA to promote a safe and fair environment for student athletes to compete unless they're flying monkeys.
 
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The NCAA just issued the following press release:

"In light of the further allegations of academic misconduct at the University of North Carolina, the NCAA has decided to suspend all athletics at North Carolina A&T for the next five years. NCAA President Mark Emmert, speaking to reporters said, "This will show everyone how important academics is to us at the NCAA. North Carolina, they are big time players, so we won't mess with them. But A&T, they are not going to fight back so we can bully the bejeesus out of those fellas."
 

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The NCAA will take the gloves off for this. UNC will be forced to vacate their 2010 NIT appearance.
 
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Imagine if Coach K (the face of USA basketball) were to come out and pressure the NCAA with an ultimatum to fix the mess they have created with the APR or he would lead a exodus of schools to form a new association. There are a lot of nuances to what is going on in college basketball but Coach K can't be happy about this. As far as I can tell, Duke makes their students take real classes. As such, they have to be decent students. Reality being what it is, decent students are not USUALLY the best recruits. I would bet the same could be said about a few other top academic institutions around the country. They are, frankly, at a major disadvantage to schools like UNC and Kentucky. And I bet you could throw in a lot of other programs too like Kansas, Florida, Ohio State, Baylor and so on. UConn's real classes may not be the same level as Duke's but they aren't that far behind and our players had to take them prior to this APR mess. I bet Calhoun passed on some recruits he knew would kill our APR and I bet that was one of the main beefs he had with the previous AD. Calhoun, the competitor that he is, probably wanted to do what Kentucky and others were already doing so he could go after more of the top recruits.

If Coach K really is the West Point trained leader he claims to be, he would lead college basketball out of this mess.
 
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I just want to make sure I am on the same page as everyone else, but this appears to be far worse than our APR violations, right? I would be shocked if UNC was penalized even half as harshly as we were though.
 
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Imagine if Coach K (the face of USA basketball) were to come out and pressure the NCAA with an ultimatum to fix the mess they have created with the APR or he would lead a exodus of schools to form a new association. There are a lot of nuances to what is going on in college basketball but Coach K can't be happy about this. As far as I can tell, Duke makes their students take real classes. As such, they have to be decent students. Reality being what it is, decent students are not USUALLY the best recruits. I would bet the same could be said about a few other top academic institutions around the country. They are, frankly, at a major disadvantage to schools like UNC and Kentucky. And I bet you could throw in a lot of other programs too like Kansas, Florida, Ohio State, Baylor and so on. UConn's real classes may not be the same level as Duke's but they aren't that far behind and our players had to take them prior to this APR mess. I bet Calhoun passed on some recruits he knew would kill our APR and I bet that was one of the main beefs he had with the previous AD. Calhoun, the competitor that he is, probably wanted to do what Kentucky and others were already doing so he could go after more of the top recruits.

If Coach K really is the West Point trained leader he claims to be, he would lead college basketball out of this mess.
This one "department" aside, UNC doesn't belong in your list of schools there. They are consistently a top 5-10 public university in the country so I wouldnt try and convince yourself that uconn is academically superior...
 
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Sounds like a complete lack of institutional control. Sounds like there is an immediate need for a firing squad or a tall tree with a short rope.
 
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This one "department" aside, UNC doesn't belong in your list of schools there. They are consistently a top 5-10 public university in the country so I wouldnt try and convince yourself that uconn is academically superior...

I'm trying to find out how you misread the previous post so badly.

Are you totally dismissing this scandal at UNC?

Have you actually read the link?

It shows that not only was UNC sending athletes through bogus classes, but that this practice has been going on for more than a decade.

Beyond that, athletic department academic counselors were in on the scam.

Couple that with the Butch Davis tutoring mess where his tutors wrote papers for football players, and you have three separate entities cheating on academics. The AD counselors, the African-American Studies Dept., the tutors for the football team at least.

Did all three sets of actors decide to help the players on their own? With absolutely no prodding and payment? Just for the heck of it? Or is there something more organized occurring? Either way, these are gross violations.

I fail to see how your point about UNC's academic standing is relevant to this discussion at all.
 
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Nice to see the negative spotlight on another top athletic progtam for academic reasons. The unfortunate thing is crap like this is probably not uncommon.

Actually the irony is the football program is not tops, it's a mediocrity not a lot better than UConn. Yet, one of the great public universities in the entire country sunk to depths of dishonesty and corruption not often seen, with little to show for it.

If you're going to cheat and cheat big, get a return on investment for it. Win like SC, Texas or Florida and hope you don't get caught. This is the worst of both worlds. Greatly cheapening the university's reputation yet not getting the desired boost to football performance the dishonesty was expected to deliver. What a thole that place is now. Slithering around with the likes of Miami.
 
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Actually the irony is the football program is not tops, it's a mediocrity not a lot better than UConn. Yet, one of the great public universities in the entire country sunk to depths of dishonesty and corruption not often seen, with little to show for it.

If you're going to cheat and cheat big, get a return on investment for it. Win like SC, Texas or Florida and hope you don't get caught. This is the worst of both worlds. Greatly cheapening the university's reputation yet not getting the desired boost to football performance the dishonesty was expected to deliver. What a thole that place is now. Slithering around with the likes of Miami.

From what I understand, there have been some former basketball players caught up in this mess as well.
 
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