OT: Marvel Question - Dr Doom

[Deepster]

Let me preface this by saying, I saw a couple of the Spiderman movies and the first Iron Man. I think that's it. I used to be into comics as a kid though.

I saw Robert Downey Jr is going to play Dr Doom.

Is that Tony Stark turning evil and reinventing himself as Dr Doom? Or is Robert Downey Jr still Iron Man.....and a completely "different" person who is Dr Doom? Are they going to fight each other in some stupid twist somewhere along the way?

Follow up question. Couldn't they choose someone else who wasn't Iron Man as Dr Doom?

 

[husky429]

I don't know the answer to any of these questions. But I hate what Disney is doing to franchises I used to love for a quick buck. And no matter what they say, that's what this is. People love RDJr and they'l come watch him, cheer in the theatre and that's that.

I haven't watched a Star Wars or Marvel product in years outside of The Mandalorian. They're... supermarket romance novels at this point.

 

[temery]

The Marvel Universe has run it's course, for now. It was about ten years of awesome, and several years of stuttered missteps of alternating pretty good to crap movies.

Marvel needs to take a step back and do more to mirror how the Star Wars trilogies were released. Takes some time off.

Regarding Stark - who knows. The Multiverse crap has even hit the 'yard recently.

Run with the Ten Rings movies, and leave everything else in the past, for now.

 

[Hoophound]

Let me preface this by saying, I saw a couple of the Spiderman movies and the first Iron Man. I think that's it. I used to be into comics as a kid though.

I saw Robert Downey Jr is going to play Dr Doom.

Is that Tony Stark turning evil and reinventing himself as Dr Doom? Or is Robert Downey Jr still Iron Man.....and a completely "different" person who is Dr Doom? Are they going to fight each other in some stupid twist somewhere along the way?

Follow up question. Couldn't they choose someone else who wasn't Iron Man as Dr Doom?

I haven’t figured out the the first question and I don’t really care. I’m not a Marvel/DC/Comic guy.

On the follow up, they just wanted to bring Robert Downey Jr back for ticket sales. Something many people, including me, said was inevitable. That’s the real answer from what I’ve read, not speculation. He is the Marvel franchise at this point. Killing him off was interesting, but mostly unbelievable for the long term.

 

[UC1995]

Robert Downey Jr. to return to Marvel Cinematic Universe as Doctor Doom

 

[UConn Dan]

With the multiverse, this version of Dr. Doom will be from a different universe. There is one comic where Tony Stark becomes Dr. Doom in an Iron suit, and there's another comic where Tony Stark and Victor Von Doom switch bodies doing an experiment. My guess it will be a remix on either of these two comic stories.

The culmination of this is that all the universes will collide with all the variants across the multiverse battling it out (SECRET WARS) with then one universe/timeline coming out of it for another Marvel reset.

 

[temery]

With the multiverse, this version of Dr. Doom will be from a different universe. There is one comic where Tony Stark becomes Dr. Doom in an Iron suit, and there's another comic where Tony Stark and Victor Von Doom switch bodies doing an experiment. My guess it will be a remix on either of these two comic stories.

The culmination of this is that all the universes will collide with all the variants across the multiverse battling it out (SECRET WARS) with then one universe/timeline coming out of it for another Marvel reset.

The multiverse stuff just seems lazy. No need for character development, just reinvent the popular characters (actors) into an entirely new plot line.

 

[navery12]

 

[Waquoit]

Dr. Doom and Iron Man are two separate people in the comic books. While anything can happen, I can't see Stark becoming Doom.

 

[Spaceman213J]

The producers have said this Dr. Doom will be from a different timeline. Like a few others have said, in the multiverse, Dr. Doom has different origins. Tony Stark becoming him.
Dr. Doom wears a mask for the vast majority of the time so Marvel/Disney could even dub his voice in for an actor in a few scenes where you actually see his face, but I doubt it.
As a fan of the first few phases, I was hoping they would have the actor from the third Iron Man movie and who was at Iron Man's funeral become Iron Lad and then become Kang. They really messed up with their version of Kang. He could have been a cool big bad, but bad writing ended that. I was hoping a scenario where Peter Parker mentored Iron Lad like Iron Man mentored him only to watch Iron Lad turn into Kang, and have to lead a group to put him down.

 

[Rocktheworld]

That’s a deep cut there lol

 

[Horatio]

Let me preface this by saying, I saw a couple of the Spiderman movies and the first Iron Man. I think that's it. I used to be into comics as a kid though.

I saw Robert Downey Jr is going to play Dr Doom.

Is that Tony Stark turning evil and reinventing himself as Dr Doom? Or is Robert Downey Jr still Iron Man.....and a completely "different" person who is Dr Doom? Are they going to fight each other in some stupid twist somewhere along the way?

Follow up question. Couldn't they choose someone else who wasn't Iron Man as Dr Doom?

As a Marvel guy since about 1974 with a collection of 3500 comics, this Robert Downy Jr. decision is a disaster. It’s gonna confuse people that aren’t familiar with how the comic book stories are written and done. The average movie fan won’t get it and even advanced Nerds like myself don’t like it.

Dr. Doom is Marvels #1 villain. He cannot and shouldn’t be played with or experimented with. Dr. Doom is so epic that he’s the character that George Lucas based Darth Vader on, and he even had an Internationally known / Beloved rapper, MF DOOM , that took on his persona. Marvel ( MCU ) has been literally self sabotaging themselves ever since they failed to recast The Black Panther. The best choice to play Dr. Victor Von Doom is Javier Doom and nobody else is even close. Just look at his performance in Skyfall and that’s Dr. Doom. That’s all I got.

 

[auggie22]

I am pretty sure Downey read to play Doom in the original fantastic 4 movie. Cannot recall if he was passed over, or if they selected him for Iron Man instead. As a fan of almost everything done in the MCU up through Endgame I like his return to the universe.

 

[auggie22]

As a Marvel guy since about 1974 with a collection of 3500 comics, this Robert Downy Jr. decision is a disaster. It’s gonna confuse people that aren’t familiar with how the comic book stories are written and done. The average movie fan won’t get it and even advanced Nerds like myself don’t like it.

Dr. Doom is Marvels #1 villain. He cannot and shouldn’t be played with or experimented with. Dr. Doom is so epic that he’s the character that George Lucas based Darth Vader on, and he even had an Internationally known / Beloved rapper, MF DOOM , that took on his persona. Marvel ( MCU ) has been literally self sabotaging themselves ever since they failed to recast The Black Panther. The best choice to play Dr. Victor Von Doom is Javier Doom and nobody else is even close. Just look at his performance in Skyfall and that’s Dr. Doom. That’s all I got.

Skyfall was the best Bond movie and Javier was the best Bond villain. Daniel Craig was the second best Bond. They got a lot right with that franchise.

 

[UKemba15]

Identity theft is not a joke!

I opened this in a meeting and for real like snorted out loud.

 

[UConn Dan]

Dr. Doom and Iron Man are two separate people in the comic books. While anything can happen, I can't see Stark becoming Doom.

This is not correct. Read my post above. There are so many iterations of the major characters in the comics -- there's a multiverse. Only Earth-616 is the "sacred timeline".

 

[HuskyHawk]

With the multiverse, this version of Dr. Doom will be from a different universe. There is one comic where Tony Stark becomes Dr. Doom in an Iron suit, and there's another comic where Tony Stark and Victor Von Doom switch bodies doing an experiment. My guess it will be a remix on either of these two comic stories.

The culmination of this is that all the universes will collide with all the variants across the multiverse battling it out (SECRET WARS) with then one universe/timeline coming out of it for another Marvel reset.

I get it, but I think we're all tired of the multiverse stuff. The new Deadpool/Wolverine is another one and evidently blends in the multiverse stuff from Loki. It's a hit, but I think that's down to the two stars.

I suppose the positive is that kids today have a much better grounding of quantum physics or whatever goes into a multiverse than they did in my day. We even thought Pluto was a planet. That kind of mental flexibility is probably a good thing to encourage.

 

[Waquoit]

This is not correct. Read my post above. There are so many iterations of the major characters in the comics -- there's a multiverse. Only Earth-616 is the "sacred timeline".

I know all about the multiverse. Having said that, I can't see Stark becoming Doom. Not because I'm unaware of any one of a thousand comicbooky ways to do it. I don't think it would be seriously accepted except maybe as a "What if?".

 

[Deepster]

As a Marvel guy since about 1974 with a collection of 3500 comics, this Robert Downy Jr. decision is a disaster. It’s gonna confuse people that aren’t familiar with how the comic book stories are written and done. The average movie fan won’t get it and even advanced Nerds like myself don’t like it.

Dr. Doom is Marvels #1 villain. He cannot and shouldn’t be played with or experimented with. Dr. Doom is so epic that he’s the character that George Lucas based Darth Vader on, and he even had an Internationally known / Beloved rapper, MF DOOM , that took on his persona. Marvel ( MCU ) has been literally self sabotaging themselves ever since they failed to recast The Black Panther. The best choice to play Dr. Victor Von Doom is Javier Doom and nobody else is even close. Just look at his performance in Skyfall and that’s Dr. Doom. That’s all I got.

Great explanation. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks.

 

[traitor71]

Why stop at Dr Doom?

 

[JohnFSilver]

Robert Downey Jr. to return to Marvel Cinematic Universe as Doctor Doom

Dangerous casting unless they are going to play on an alternate tony stark from the prime timeline.

Potential is there, and Downey is stellar. The writing better be good.

 

[caw]

I don't know the answer to any of these questions. But I hate what Disney is doing to franchises I used to love for a quick buck. And no matter what they say, that's what this is. People love RDJr and they'l come watch him, cheer in the theatre and that's that.

I haven't watched a Star Wars or Marvel product in years outside of The Mandalorian. They're... supermarket romance novels at this point.

I agree for most of the shows, though I would put Andor in it's own space here. It's just different. I loved it, some hated it but either way it's unique.

 

[huskiesNhoos]

Let me preface this by saying, I saw a couple of the Spiderman movies and the first Iron Man. I think that's it. I used to be into comics as a kid though.

I saw Robert Downey Jr is going to play Dr Doom.

Is that Tony Stark turning evil and reinventing himself as Dr Doom? Or is Robert Downey Jr still Iron Man.....and a completely "different" person who is Dr Doom? Are they going to fight each other in some stupid twist somewhere along the way?

Follow up question. Couldn't they choose someone else who wasn't Iron Man as Dr Doom?

His iron man character died at the end of one of the avengers movies so it's not him turning into someone else....or at least probably not w the multiverse stuff? I dunno...I lost interest in those movies years ago too

Im not sure if Chris Evans is back as captain America still but kinda funny that he played human torch from fantastic 4 who are also going to be in the new avengers movies

 

[B1GEast]

Doom is such an interesting and deep character. Fox did a poor job with their cinematic version of Doom.

I agree that casting RDJ as Doom was a bad decision. He's a great actor and he'll pull it off, but they really should have kept the casting separate.

I never really cared for the Marvel universe in the big screen with the exception of the first Spider-Man movie.

I didn't like the Iron Man/ Captain America/ Avengers/ Thor movies much. Tony Stark in the comics is an struggling alcoholic. He can save others but himself and that should have been mentioned.

I also didn't like how the handled the Hulk and Daredevil.

I did like the X Men though. I thought of all the MCU on the big screen, the X Men got it right for the most part.

 

[TheChamps990411]

The producers have said this Dr. Doom will be from a different timeline. Like a few others have said, in the multiverse, Dr. Doom has different origins. Tony Stark becoming him.
Dr. Doom wears a mask for the vast majority of the time so Marvel/Disney could even dub his voice in for an actor in a few scenes where you actually see his face, but I doubt it.
As a fan of the first few phases, I was hoping they would have the actor from the third Iron Man movie and who was at Iron Man's funeral become Iron Lad and then become Kang. They really messed up with their version of Kang. He could have been a cool big bad, but bad writing ended that. I was hoping a scenario where Peter Parker mentored Iron Lad like Iron Man mentored him only to watch Iron Lad turn into Kang, and have to lead a group to put him down.

The multiverse stuff has been really hit and miss. Hope theyre smart enough to go away from it because unless youre a more hardcore fan you really can get lost in all this stuff like the OP is. Ive honestly tuned out on Marvel since Avengers age of Ultron. I liked Infinity war but the rest has been meh especially lately and dont get me started on the Disney shows.