OT: Lukas Kisunas recruiting update

[intlzncster]

Nolan could have been one of UCONN's greatest bigs if his talents were properly developed.

 

[Wise2]

Watch him go to AZ and drop 20 & 10 on us in December at the XL center...

 

[FlippinCrazy!]

Why Sean Miller even has a job there right now is beyond ridiculous from an NCAA standpoint... goes to show how much the NCAA and Emmert cares about their star programs/coaches

 

[superjohn]

He's not Thabeet but to my eye he looked like he matched up well proportionally against basically everyone we played this year, minus Ayton. And there aren't many Ayton's. I'd be willing to bet he's taller than a guy like Oriakhi, and I find it hard to believe he's only got one inch on Diarra. If he's not more than an inch taller than Diarra, you're only making my point that he's not a project, because Diarra can do things athletically he can't.

The read on him coming in was that he rebounds, block shots, and has good hands. At the very least, you don't get the third thing with projects. Some of the things he lacks - foot speed, explosiveness, leaping ability - aren't necessarily things you teach. I tend to look at him and Diarra as being at opposite ends of the spectrum - Diarra has a higher ceiling and Carlton is more likely to be a steady four year guy.

Diarra is only 6'6. My point was Oriakhi looked like a bodybuilder compared to Carlton. Josh's big problems are lack of explosiveness and he's physically weak. All our bigs are projects.

 

[gtcam]

Watch him go to AZ and drop 20 & 10 on us in December at the XL center...

Every UConn team seems to allow someone on the opposing team to have career games - why not him!

 

[HawkHusky]

Every UConn team seems to allow someone on the opposing team to have career games - why not him!

That was the old regime!

 

[intlzncster]

That was the old regime!

Happened during the JC years too. Of course, I'm sure there's some confirmation bias involved.

 

[intlzncster]

Diarra is only 6'6. My point was Oriakhi looked like a bodybuilder compared to Carlton. Josh's big problems are lack of explosiveness and he's physically weak. All our bigs are projects.

Forget Oriakhi. I mean him and Jeff were two of our most solid guys down low ever.

Just look at Josh compared to Phil Nolan:

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[intlzncster]

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[jibsey]

Kisunas has moved on and so should we.

 

[EastConn'er]

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Why would you be comparing a Senior Phil Nolan's photo to a Freshman Josh Carlton's photo? Carlton as a Freshman was listed roughly @ 240 lbs (good size for a Freshman Big).... and Phil Nolan didn't hit 230 lbs until his Senior year. Carlton's Freshman year (4.4 pts, 3.7 rbs) was better than any of Nolan's 4 years here. Carlton needs to tone up & develop his legs for more lift (ie. athletic), but he has a lot more potential (offensively & defensively) than Nolan ever had.... minus flopping & photo bombing! I'm looking forward to see how Carlton develops. He can develop into a bruiser down low. He's got the frame & potential is there. Now he needs to stop fouling. Ha!

 

[intlzncster]

Why would you be comparing a Senior Phil Nolan's photo to a Freshman Josh Carlton's photo? Carlton as a Freshman was listed roughly @ 240 lbs (good size for a Freshman Big).... and Phil Nolan didn't hit 230 lbs until his Senior year. Carlton's Freshman year (4.4 pts, 3.7 rbs) was better than any of Nolan's 4 years here. Carlton needs to tone up & develop his legs for more lift (ie. athletic), but he has a lot more potential (offensively & defensively) than Nolan ever had.... minus flopping & photo bombing! I'm looking forward to see how Carlton develops. He can develop into a bruiser down low. He's got the frame & potential is there. Now he needs to stop fouling. Ha!

Just showing body type comparison, not comparing at each point in their career. We can go back to Jeff Adrien or Alex O pics if you want.

Josh may weigh more than PN, but it doesn't equate to more strength. He needs about 20+ pounds of muscle. With that frame, it looks like he's starving. He got pushed around too much last year. He'll never be explosive, so he's going to have to out position and out muscle his opposition.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

I was trying to be liberal, but even so, Nolan had some moments as a freshman and sophomore. And remarkably, he played 61 minutes (!) against Michigan State, Florida, and Kentucky. As much as I want to use that to help my point, it's staggering to think that Phil Nolan played over 20 minutes per game on a team that went through the tournament favorite, the #1 overall seed, and the most talented team. Let's just say we were pretty damn loaded 1-4.

But still, Phil was a guy who played 11 minutes per game as a freshman and then 11 minutes per game as a senior. The problem wasn't that he was a nothing prospect. He was solidly in the top 150 and never really got better. Fortunately, his screening and hedging was enough in 2014.

Brimah took his minutes becsusr Brimah was better
Nolan’s freshman minutes increased because Wolf was thrown off the team. He was was backup to Wolf
That tells you everything you need to about the talent he brought here.
He did learn to play the position but the only reason Ollie started him was to protect Brimah .
He was however the photobomb King.
Carlton is twice the player Nolan was

 

[MattMang23]

Why Sean Miller even has a job there right now is beyond ridiculous from an NCAA standpoint... goes to show how much the NCAA and Emmert cares about their star programs/coaches

You're under the impression that Arizona is a bigger "star program" than UConn? We get hit for everything. Give it time. "University-4" will get theirs.

 

[Horatio]

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Josh Carlton had good size as a freshman compared to the twigs we've brought in

 

[superjohn]

Carlton has some things going for him but you guys aren't being objective about his strength. At this point he is physically weak and it hurt his game, hopefully he busts it in the weight room and eating wise.

 

[intlzncster]

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Josh Carlton had good size as a freshman compared to the twigs we've brought in

That's not exactly a high bar (Brimah, Chuck O and crew...).

But when you compare to damn near every other decent team, it's a different story.

 

[intlzncster]

Carlton has some things going for him but you guys aren't being objective about his strength. At this point he is physically weak and it hurt his game, hopefully he busts it in the weight room and eating wise.

Yeah, I mean I'm surprised at the pushback. I guess compared to Brimah, Facey, and Durham we are good.

Maybe it was just me who watched him get pushed all over the court last year.

 

[EastConn'er]

Just showing body type comparison, not comparing at each point in their career. We can go back to Jeff Adrien or Alex O pics if you want.

Josh may weigh more than PN, but it doesn't equate to more strength. He needs about 20+ pounds of muscle. With that frame, it looks like he's starving. He got pushed around too much last year. He'll never be explosive, so he's going to have to out position and out muscle his opposition.

You brought up the Carlton to Nolan comparisons, not me. Carlton is not as whimpy as you make him out to be (@ 6'9 & 240 he's not starving). Comparing Josh Carlton to JA makes no sense. Completely different players. Scratch that out. JA was great. Totally different bodies. AO showed up @ UConn a bit chubby but a "5 Star" recruit & was in foul trouble equally as Carlton. AO was more athletic than Carlton may ever be but AO never lived up to his potential & left on a sour note. Carlton already shows more touch than AO ever had. Again different players.... Carlton needs to work on his body, yes, but it's more to tone up, than bulk up.

 

[Huskybass]

Every UConn team seems to allow someone on the opposing team to have career games - why not him!

Because we have a real head coach now, and the guys who torched UConn over the past 4 years usually did it shooting 3 pointers.

 

[intlzncster]

You brought up the Carlton to Nolan comparisons, not me. Carlton is not as whimpy as you make him out to be (@ 6'9 & 240 he's not starving). Comparing Josh Carlton to JA makes no sense. Completely different players. Scratch that out. JA was great. Totally different bodies. AO showed up @ UConn a bit chubby but a "5 Star" recruit & was in foul trouble equally as Carlton. AO was more athletic than Carlton may ever be but AO never lived up to his potential & left on a sour note. Carlton already shows more touch than AO ever had. Again different players.... Carlton needs to work on his body, yes, but it's more to tone up, than bulk up.

He looked small against the vast majority of front courts this year. And he got pushed around. How does he not need to work on his strength/size? If he doesn't he'll be an after thought again.

Not once this year did I say to myself, "man, Carlton is manhandling those guys down low".

 

[superjohn]

Yeah, I mean I'm surprised at the pushback. I guess compared to Brimah, Facey, and Durham we are good.

Maybe it was just me who watched him get pushed all over the court last year.

He got pushed off his spot constantly and so many times he would have the ball and another guy would get their hands on it and Carlton would just crumble. Strength is a huge issue for him right now, it's been a problem for the whole team in recent years. Fixing that is a major priority for Hurley.

 

[EastConn'er]

He looked small against the vast majority of front courts this year. And he got pushed around. How does he not need to work on his strength/size? If he doesn't he'll be an after thought again.

Not once this year did I say to myself, man, Carlton is man handling those guys down low.

6'9" & 240 looks small to you? Really? He got into foul trouble, because he was out of position often, not because of his size. He didn't get pushed around because most teams don't have players bigger than him. News Flash: At age 19, he will not grow any taller. He can develop his body to become more athletic & quicker. He doesn't need more weight at 6'9" & 240 lb.

 

[Horatio]

That's not exactly a high bar (Brimah, Chuck O and crew...).

But when you compare to damn near every other decent team, it's a different story.

I know but no program has gotten more out of " twigs" than UConn. Deandre, Rip, Amida, Charles O, Nolan, etc. we're all twigs but all champions.

 

[80shusky]

I love Phil. Carlton has more potential as a post player. Of course he could use more strength to hold position. He has nice moves around the basket offensively and should get better. In games when they actually threw him the ball in the post he aquitted himself well. Granted a lot of that was in junk time when we were getting blown out but with some seasoning I think he'll make a nice post player if the guards give him the darn ball in a position to score.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

That's not exactly a high bar (Brimah, Chuck O and crew...).

But when you compare to damn near every other decent team, it's a different story.

Let’s see Brimah was the best Big post JC . So an upgrade from him is not bad.

 

[intlzncster]

6'9" & 240 looks small to you? Really? He got into foul trouble, because he was out of position often, not because of his size. He didn't get pushed around because most teams don't have players bigger than him. News Flash: At age 19, he will not grow any taller. He can develop his body to become more athletic & quicker. He doesn't need more weight at 6'9" & 240 lb.

I'd like him at 250. Cut 10lbs, and then add that 20lbs of muscle. Again, that's because he needs more strength. If you didn't see him getting pushed off the spot, like @superjohn said above, then we weren't watching the same games.

There were plenty of guys his size or bigger. Especially on the better teams (MSU, Zona et al). Nobody cares about the Tulane's of the world.

You see Patric Young here? He was 6'10 247 in the picture to the right. And no, I don't expect Josh to look exactly like him, but that relative level of transformation is what I'd like to see.

 

[EastConn'er]

He got pushed off his spot constantly and so many times he would have the ball and another guy would get their hands on it and Carlton would just crumble. Strength is a huge issue for him right now, it's been a problem for the whole team in recent years. Fixing that is a major priority for Hurley.

Half of Carlton's foul's were offensive because he extended his arms to far into the defender, which is why he ended up on the bench so early most games he started. The other half of his fouls were defensive because he was out of position. He didn't get into foul trouble because he was pushed around.

 

[intlzncster]

Half of Carlton's foul's were offensive because he extended his arms to far into the defender, which is why he ended up on the bench so early most games he started. The other half of his fouls were defensive because he was out of position. He didn't get into foul trouble because he was pushed around.

Nobody's talking about fouls. We're talking about controlling space, out muscling guys, not getting backed down, ripping balls out, bulldozing through fouls, etc etc.

 

[EastConn'er]

I'd like him at 250. Cut 10lbs, and then add that 20lbs of muscle. Again, that's because he needs more strength. If you didn't see him getting pushed off the spot, like @superjohn said above, then we weren't watching the same games.

There were plenty of guys his size or bigger. Especially on the better teams (MSU, Zona et al). Nobody cares about the Tulane's of the world.

You see Patric Young here? He was 6'10 247 in the picture to the right. And no, I don't expect Josh to look like him, but that kind of transformation is what I'd like to see.

Wow, just Wow... So now Carlton needs to look like MMA fighter to an effective college basketball player for UConn? My bad. I didn't realize we need a Body by Jake & MMA skills to be a skilled college Post Player! I guess I thought we needed a player to rebound, score in the paint, not commit fouls constantly... You win this one!

19 yo Carlton has A LOT of work ahead of him.... It's nice we keep judging a 19 yo kid to 24 yo's who graduated from college 2-3 yo's ago...