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OT: Knicks and Spike Lee

1) You can't even see Spike Lee in the clip. This was filmed and released by someone else and became news.
2) He's not going anymore because he doesn't like the way he was treated.
Yes, but
1) You can't even see Spike Lee in the clip. This was filmed and released by someone else and became news.
2) He's not going anymore because he doesn't like the way he was treated.
1. He acted like a child, screaming in a tantrum
2. Followed up with an interview with Steven A.
If he didn’t like the treatment, then take your business elsewhere.
 
Yes, but

1. He acted like a child, screaming in a tantrum
2. Followed up with an interview with Steven A.
If he didn’t like the treatment, then take your business elsewhere.
The guy has spent over $10 million dollars in season tickets alone. He was being denied access to his $3400 seat.

He was justifiably upset.

He didn't like the treatment, and isn't returning this year.

He's doing exactly what you are saying he should. You obviously don't have the facts and are quick to criticize.

He was invited on the show, he accepted. If you don't like it, don't watch.
 
The guy has spent over $10 million dollars in season tickets alone. He was being denied access to his $3400 seat.

He was justifiably upset.

He didn't like the treatment, and isn't returning this year.

He's doing exactly what you are saying he should. You obviously don't have the facts and are quick to criticize.

He was invited on the show, he accepted. If you don't like it, don't watch.
His ticket was also scanned and he went up to the 5th floor level where the court is, which he's always done. Why would they scan his ticket and let him up if it's not allowed and they've warned him a million times?

The guy has spent millions of dollars on tickets and instead of celebrating their Leon Rose hire and getting positive press they alienate their biggest public fan of all-time and get terrible press. Dolan had one of their most beloved all-time player's (Oakley) put in handcuffs. He's kicked out kids from the Garden for questioning his leadership. This clearly isn't a Spike Lee problem, like everything else it's a petulant failson James Dolan problem.
 
Did not comment on movies. that is an assumption on your part. He acts like he was raised in the hood when actually he ha an upper middle class youth. His dad was a dentist.
When has he ever said otherwise? Please show me a clip or article quote. Lol
 
So you're saying things in anyone's life should never change? That's kind of a strange take.
I think it's strange that's what you got from my take. Change in any very longstanding situation like this, without any advance warning or explanation followed by heavy-handed treatment would be jarring to anyone. The guy acted no worse and probably better than many would. Yet I see folks on this board go right to the ad hominem attacks.
 
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Regardless James Dolan is a terrible owner, behaves egotistically and almost always makes the wrong decision. Doesn't matter if someone behaves great, or badly, is famous or Joe Schmo - Dolan sucks more.
 
I think it's strange that's what you got from my take. Change in any very longstanding situation like this, without any advance warning or explanation followed by heavy-handed treatment would be jarring to anyone. The guy acted no worse and probably better than many would. Yet I see folks on this board go right to the ad hominem attacks.
I somewhat agree with you, although the average person would not react that violently. If you believe the Knicks though then I wouldn't agree with you.

“The idea that Spike Lee is a victim because we have repeatedly asked him to not use our employee entrance and instead use a dedicated VIP entrance – which is used by every other celebrity who enters The Garden – is laughable,” the team said. “It’s disappointing that Spike would create this false controversy to perpetuate drama. He is welcome to come to The Garden anytime via the VIP or general entrance; just not through our employee entrance, which is what he and Jim agreed to last night when they shook hands.”
 
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What a joke - let the guy use the entrance he always has - good christ he's earned it that's for sure, for pain and suffering alone. Odd hill to chose to die on for the Knicks, but they're a textbook case in how to not do anything right.

Anyone else says why can't I use the entrance Spike does, you say, he's our celebrity public relations ambassador.
 
I somewhat agree with you, although the average person would not react that violently. If you believe the Knicks though then I wouldn't agree with you.

“The idea that Spike Lee is a victim because we have repeatedly asked him to not use our employee entrance and instead use a dedicated VIP entrance – which is used by every other celebrity who enters The Garden – is laughable,” the team said. “It’s disappointing that Spike would create this false controversy to perpetuate drama. He is welcome to come to The Garden anytime via the VIP or general entrance; just not through our employee entrance, which is what he and Jim agreed to last night when they shook hands.”
C'mon. What is the actual purpose of that statement by the Knicks? How does that possibly help the basketball team? It is beyond stupid and quite literally a self-inflicted wound.

Dear Prospective Free Agents:
We will unnecessarily trade away actual good players under a misguided hope of luring you to our franchise. We reject the notion that a good organization, players or coaches are helpful in building a good team. And make no mistake, we will belittle & publicly embarrass anyone regardless of loyalty, profile, money, power or prestige. Signing a big contract with us won't make you any less susceptible to petty whims, simply remember whomever signs the checks will always be most important. The numerous players and coaches whose careers have ended or virtually ended here is no coincidence (Allen Houston, ECurry, McDyess, Marbury, Amare, Carmelo, Isiah, Phil J ) and representative of these facts.
Without remorse & quite possibly vindictively,
James Dolan
P.S. We've included two free tickets to see the ironically named JD & The Straight Shot. Consider the pain of listening to this as insight into what your soul will feel like as a member of the NYK.
 
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Did not comment on movies. that is an assumption on your part. He acts like he was raised in the hood when actually he ha an upper middle class youth. His dad was a dentist.
And just so your BS is straight, his dad is a jazz musician. He is not a dentist. I am guessing you are thinking of Miles Davis' father, whom you probably also hate.
 
He's quite a lot more than that, and yes, imperfectly human.

Are you perhaps among those who feel uncomfortable while watching "Do the Right Thing"?
not at all - never watched it
I'm sure he's a talented producer/writer
Based on numerous interviews I have seen and read done 1 0n 1 with him
 
Are you going to elaborate on this casually racist comment?
The only comment that can be made is that you don't know me and now you have jumped to two erroneous conclusions in this post.
 
The only comment that can be made is that you don't know me and now you have jumped to two erroneous conclusions in this post.
I was very careful in my wording. I didn't call you racist. Read the question again. I said the comment is casually racist. I separated you from the statement, which is much more leeway than you've given Spike Lee.

Saying a black man "acts like was raised in the hood", when he has (to my knowledge) never been arrested, never been accused of committing crimes, who has been married over 25 years, who has no children out of wedlock, and has never been tied to any of the negative stereotypes about people from "the hood" that you were implying, is most certainly casually racist.

Which is why I asked you to explain the comment, maybe you have some information that I don't. You have the opportunity to explain yourself, you can take it, or you can pretend to be the victim here. But you aren't.

And the irony is, you didn't know what his dad did, yet provided that as evidence to your opinion. Maybe take a step back and rethink this one.
 
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“The idea that Spike Lee is a victim because we have repeatedly asked him to not use our employee entrance and instead use a dedicated VIP entrance – which is used by every other celebrity who enters The Garden – is laughable,” the team said. “It’s disappointing that Spike would create this false controversy to perpetuate drama. He is welcome to come to The Garden anytime via the VIP or general entrance; just not through our employee entrance, which is what he and Jim agreed to last night when they shook hands.”
Is that Page Six? Is that why you didn't source the quote? You do know that he was hassled after his ticket was scanned. I think that makes this Knicks story sketchy.
 
I was very careful in my wording. I didn't call you racist. Read the question again. I said the comment is casually racist. I separated you from the statement, which is much more leeway than you've given Spike Lee.

Saying a black man "acts like was raised in the hood", when he has (to my knowledge) never been arrested, never been accused of committing crimes, who has been married over 25 years, who has no children out of wedlock, and has never been tied to any of the negative stereotypes about people from "the hood" that you were implying, is most certainly casually racist.

Which is why I asked you to explain the comment, maybe you have some information that I don't. You have the opportunity to explain yourself, you can take it, or you can pretend to be the victim here. But you aren't.

And the irony is, you didn't know what his dad did, yet provided that as evidence to your opinion. Maybe take a step back and rethink this one.
i admitted my error in the case of the man's father's occupation and am duly chastised. Now the issue must be why would you be spending so much effort on me.. I just said I don't like the guy and consider him a fraud. You disagree I can live with that. You're free to have your opinion. You have defined your criteria for my comment, but they are not mine. My comments had no tinge of racism from my side. If you heard them differently then you have a problem, not me. I have just two questions. What color am I and where did I grow up?
 
i admitted my error in the case of the man's father's occupation and am duly chastised. Now the issue must be why would you be spending so much effort on me.. I just said I don't like the guy and consider him a fraud. You disagree I can live with that. You're free to have your opinion. You have defined your criteria for my comment, but they are not mine. My comments had no tinge of racism from my side. If you heard them differently then you have a problem, not me. I have just two questions. What color am I and where did I grow up?
You said he acts like he's from the hood. Multiple people have asked you what this means and how he acts like he's from the hood and you never answered.

I'll ask again, how does Spike Lee act like he's from the hood?
 
i admitted my error in the case of the man's father's occupation and am duly chastised. Now the issue must be why would you be spending so much effort on me.. I just said I don't like the guy and consider him a fraud. You disagree I can live with that. You're free to have your opinion. You have defined your criteria for my comment, but they are not mine. My comments had no tinge of racism from my side. If you heard them differently then you have a problem, not me. I have just two questions. What color am I and where did I grow up?
Multiple people have identified the problem with your post. Not just me.

If you want to walk the comment back, then good; but you didn't "just say [you] don't like the guy". I don't much like him either. You said he "acts like he's from the hood". That's not the same thing. He could act like that and you could still like him. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Because nobody knows the context of the post, or the background of the poster, it could certainly be considered a comment hinged on racist opinions. Which is why you've been asked to explain it multiple times. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm not trying to make you like him, I couldn't care less.

But you refuse to simply explain the comment, so the dance continues.

It's not about you personally, it's about how he allegedly pretends to be from the hood. How so?

It should be an easy explanation if that behavior is what fueled your distaste for the man.

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By the way, if you're a black/brown man/woman, and you believe that would change my reaction to your comment, then you should understand exactly where I'm coming from.

If a black person can say what you said, but a white person "can't".....
 
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Actually, I haven't been following this post. Only been responding to @WingU-Conn because he has been responding to me directly. I actually thought the whole garden incident was a tempest in a teapot that Mr. Lee blew up into something larger than necessary. To me it smacked of a privileged attitude that he was able to determine which rules at MSG applied to him and which applied to others. To me, he was trying to project MSG staff as disrespecting him when none was intended. I have been engaged with too many individuals who use false claims of disrespect to cause chaos and issues where it would have been much simpler to follow the rules. Typically the individuals in my experience have not performed in such a way as to earn respect. I projected that onto Spike Lee after viewing the video and hearing parts of his discussion with Stephen A and reading the MSG response. For those who I offended, my comment was thoughtless and I sincerely apologize.
 
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My only concern is Spike starts showing up courtside at UConn games. We don't want that distraction but make no mistake about it, we BACK!!!!!
 
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When I die, I want Dolan and his Knicks management team to be my pallbearers, so they can let me down one last time. #LifelongNightmare
 

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