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Message: [QUOTE="NielsisGood, post: 2184309, member: 7503"] Harden doesn't need to be top shelf defensively when he's putting up 29-8-11 on a team with no other stars. Conley hasn't been top shelf defensively for a couple years either. Not sure what you mean here by "all-around" if you're not trying to claim Conley is the 3rd best guard in the NBA. This statement is all over the place, you're harping on Harden for not being great defensively while ignoring the ridiculous amount he contributes offensively, but then go on to claim that Lillard is in the discussion when he's [I]horrible [/I]defensively and not an efficient shooter either. Either way, in terms of being a "complete guard", Conley lags pretty far behind any of these guys offensively. [/QUOTE]