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Message: [QUOTE="MadDogRevival, post: 2325495, member: 8028"] So this is what I'm talking about here. First, let me be clear, I think that the existing science supports the null hypothesis that human activity can and is changing the climate. The question is, really, "how much," and I'm not willing to go nearly as far as many on the activist side of the issue, particularly given some glaring scientific sins that have occurred in that community (destruction of original data and conspiring to prevent publication of contrary work, to name two). They plainly have an agenda, and, while I generally support the goal of substantially reducing FF use, I don't support fraud to get to the goal. But look what you did - your point is this . . . An increase in "severe" weather, sustained over time, is proof that climate change is occurring. But, of course, an increase in severe weather over time IS, in fact, a change in the climate. What you're saying is that a change in the climate is proof that the climate is changing. We agree! But that's completely unrelated to the actual question being debated, which is "to what extent are [B][I]humans [/I][/B]causing it?" The climate has been changing, constantly, for the life of the planet. The problem, scientifically, is that it's extremely difficult to determine the cause, given that there are innumerable inputs into the climate, with interrelations among them not fully understood. Definitely needs more study, but from scientists without an agenda for either side - I trust the Exon funded scientists about as much as I trust the science activists who used algorithms to change original weather station data to produce "adjusted" data, and then destroyed the original data, which cannot be determined by reversing the algorithm. It's scientific heresy, in my view, to destroy original data, ever, and I would never trust a scientist who would do such a thing. I've always been leery of scientists who are experimenting or researching for the purpose of proving a point in which they religiously believe. In psychology and sociology, they run the mad house. In the hard sciences, not so much, with the exception of climate, where there are many scientists who are fanatically anti-FF. [/QUOTE]

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