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Alydar said:
Any comparison of the two is an insult to Moore. Maya may have taken 30 % of the shots but her fg% was 52% and she shot 38% from 3. DeShields shot 39% of her fg's and 25% from 3. The only reason her stats look any good is because the rest of the team couldn't shoot . Moore also had almost twice as many assists, 151 to 82 for DeShields. Moore had 313 rebounds to 186 for DeShields. And for those who don't find stats very compelling, try watching some games and decide who put out more energy on the court.

Moore was a leader. DeShields is a star.
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Star is a subjective assumption for DeShields... Until she puts the entire package together... Star is a stretch...

Now Moore is a star, leader, teammate, friend, etc.... She has the entire package...
 
BroadwayVa said:
Slander or truth is in the perception of those hearing or those who own the game. I try NOT to libel anyone--it's much harder to say written worda were not printed.
Ok--so it's fair-scalped--join the increasingly large crowd.
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Thankfully the law isn't based on your loose assumption of the truth. At some point we must all agree on some objective truth or else we couldn't post replies.
 
mdakota said:
Star is a subjective assumption for DeShields... Until she puts the entire package together... Star is a stretch...

Now Moore is a star, leader, teammate, friend, etc.... She has the entire package...
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DeShields was a star in her 3rd year of HS. Stardom is a function of media attention and I agree it is mostly subjective. It has little to do with talent or performance and in the case of DeShields more a function of perceived potential.
 
I was just wondering when she was ever here and what she has come back from! Stop talking and play basketball with out whining and making excuses.
 
Justavisitor said:
She wants to win titles. You don't win those alone. What's funny is when she was being recruited by Geno, she said way back then that she wanted to set records. She spoke of the things "she wanted to do." Back then though, since it was rumored she was headed to UConn, she was celebrated by many on this board and certainly wasn't chastised.
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She was praised on this board because there is nothing wrong with having high goals and even swag. Diamond was rightly chastised for her method of achieving the goals. First she fleeced 4 other high caliber players to go to school with her then fleeced NC into renigging on the offer to players who UNC had previously committed-that is how the Day twins ended up at Syracuse and then she abandoned her committed teammates and HoF coach after 1 year. Not coming to UCONN was the best decision Diamond ever made-Not a lot of quality decisions since then.
 
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CocoHusky said:
By Nov 2105 Diamond was already at TN.
Ex-UNC star DeShields transferring to Vols
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Again .... Context (and comprehension)...

Auriemma said. "It was managing all the other stuff that went along with it (superstardom/hype) that was going to be an issue for wherever she went (in this case North Carolina). Now that she's at a place that's used to that (Tennesse), they know how to do that somewhat.

When the article is written is kind of immaterial since he was speaking to DD's total college experience..... I suspect this may have something to do with the JPM dustup as well, maybe
 
CajunHusky said:
Again .... Context (and comprehension)...

Auriemma said. "It was managing all the other stuff that went along with it (superstardom/hype) that was going to be an issue for wherever she went (in this case North Carolina). Now that she's at a place that's used to that (Tennesse), they know how to do that somewhat.

When the article is written is kind of immaterial since he was speaking to DD's total college experience..... I suspect this may have something to do with the JPM dustup as well, maybe
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How this for context? Not like Geno to comment on NON UCONN players. So "contextually" how would we know this was in relation to Diamond, UNC or TN?
 
MilfordHusky said:
Diamond is possibly the most athletic player out there, but she has yet to show that she can consistently be a great basketball player. She needs to demonstrate a high basketball IQ and play within a team framework. And stop pouting when things don't go her way.

I'm disappointed in her quotes. Her focus is herself and not her team. Given that focus, she'll be in the pros next year, not back at Knoxville.
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She looks athletic on the court, but that is compared to the other snow-shoe footed TENN players. I compare her to Gabby Williams and I would take Gabby any day of the week. I must think there are many other players out there that have as good if not better athleticism than DD. I just didn't watch many games that didn't include UCONN or TENN so I don't know who they would be. And, I agree with every thing else you had to say about her.
 
CocoHusky said:
How this for context? Not like Geno to comment on NON UCONN players. So "contextually" how would we know this was in relation to Diamond, UNC or TN?
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because the article is a November 4, 2015 interview with ...... Diamond DeShields.
 
I think the article is pretty good. I am waiting for season to start. So I can see what a healthy Diamond DeShields play on the court.
 
Justavisitor said:
Her consistency will improve with her health. Through the tourneys, when she was better, but still not full strength, she shot 40% from the field. As for her quotes, I sure do remember all the haters when the Williams Sisters spoke with a never before seen type of confidence. It's put up or shut up time. When the greats find the confidence to speak up, watch out, because that type of supreme confidence typically equates to great results.
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Totally agree. It's time to put up - big question mark whether that can/will happen cuz we haven't seen it yet. Or... time to shut up - pretty sure that's not gonna happen regardless cuz we haven't seen this yet either.
 
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CajunHusky said:
because the article is a November 4, 2015 interview with . Diamond DeShields.
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What? An interview with DD in which Auriemma said. "It was managing all the other stuff that went along with it (superstardom/hype) that was going to be an issue for wherever she went (in this case North Carolina). Now that she's at a place that's used to that (Tennesse), they know how to do that somewhat.

Can someone please post the interview.
 
CocoHusky said:
What? An interview with DD in which Auriemma said. "It was managing all the other stuff that went along with it (superstardom/hype) that was going to be an issue for wherever she went (in this case North Carolina). Now that she's at a place that's used to that (Tennesse), they know how to do that somewhat.

Can someone please post the interview.
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Jeff Jacobs: Bring On UConn Says Tennesee's Diamond DeShields
 
j66kicker said:
"I definitely want to be player of the year — SEC and national player of the year," DeShields said. "Whatever player of the year honors there are to get, I want it all. I want to make a defensive team. I never really got a defensive award, and I'm going to try to do that this year."

Gag me :eek::eek::eek::eek:
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with that quote.
 
Huskyforlife said:
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that quote.
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Nothing wrong with it. Just a typical quote from [mod edit] "someone" who doesn't 'get it' and is never going to win anything ("It don't mean a thing if you ain't got that ring.")
 
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With all this "I" talk... She'll be in for a rough ride... even in the WNBA... She'll have to make a lot of changes in the next year if she plans to be successful. Don't think for a minute that her attitude (as it was on the court a lot of times last year), lack of enthusiasm, and general demeanor will fly with anyone on the same WNBA team as her.

Hopefully she wont turn out to be another Brandy Reed. That's what i'm getting from her right now.

Mercury's Reed Creates More Turmoil
 
meyers7 said:
Yea, it's like that with some people. "Facts, truths, reality? Mean nothing to me, I have my own warped opinions. "
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Statistics and observable facts in and of themselves have nothing to do with "truth." This is the thing many Statmeisters on the BY and elsewhere seem to miss. It all depends on the question being posed. If the question is very precise or if it uses well-defined terms, then sometimes stats/facts/etc. can support a good argument without much context. The broader the question, the more these things need context.

Tamika Williams is UCONN's all-time leader in FG%. Was she an efficient scorer? Certainly looks that way. Was she a great shooter? That's a very different question. Yet for some people, high FG% automatically translates to "great shooter" and they will argue this until they are blue in the face. To others who never saw her play, more info would be needed. Just one example.
 
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VAMike23 said:
Statistics and observable facts in and of themselves have nothing to do with "truth." This is the thing many Statmeisters on the BY and elsewhere seem to miss. It all depends on the question being posed. If the question is very precise or if it uses well-defined terms, then sometimes stats/facts/etc. can support a good argument without much context. The broader the question, the more these things need context.
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Don't get too deep. It was just a shot at the poster.
 
Ha, Meyers...I'm going to go *way* too deep...

Personally, I believe in supporting opinions with specific arguments. This is what I believe and this is why I believe it. I find stats useful in making those arguments. In many cases, the anti-stat people do not present counter-arguments. In the case of our Gamecock friend, they sometimes present no argument at all. She is "great" because I have watched her play and believe she is "great".

It comes down (as message board arguments often do) to semiotics - what does it mean to be "great"? I like to use stats to build a sort of syllogism e.g.

1. I believe "great" guards shoot at least 40 FG% and 30 3FG% (if they shoot more than 50 3s per season) and have at least a 1.0+ a/to ratio
2. Diamond does not meet those statistical benchmarks
3. Diamond is not a "great" guard.

That premise is easy to attack but at least there's some logic not just a tautology - "I know she is great because I have seen her greatness"

I'm probably getting my philosophy and logic all muddled but that's where I come down.
 
Nuyoika said:
My heavens GIVE IT A REST PEOPLE... they will win gold just like they were suppose to. It's the committee & Geno & coaching staffs job to come home with a Gold. Not give a crap about anyone's feelings. This is the Olympics not a 5 year old birthday party, sorry you didn't get invited. Geno and most of the the current UConn players likely won't be on the Olympic team next go around and you can clone Parker and she can play all 5 positions.

Back to the subject at hand... Diamond is back... great for her, great for Tennessee, now lets see what Holly can do with a healthy Diamond.
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That is silly. The U.S. has dominated the medal count in the Rio Olympics as they usually do in certain sports. Should we discount the athletes themselves and the best available in lieu of the ultimate Gold count? You have to respect the game.
 
I've held the envelope up to my temple...........the answer: The WNBA. Now, after tearing open the envelope, blowing into it, and removing the contents, I'll read the question..............."Where will Diamond DeShields be playing AFTER this coming season?

Reasoning: With an ego such as hers, coupled with the fact that she will be eligible to enter the WNBA draft in April 2017, What makes you think she's going to stay for another year (as we all know, she's a red shirt junior, and like Morgan Tuck, will be eligible to leave) in Rocky Top, if she has other options, whether or not she (and or her team) has a good year? If they have a good year, she has nothing left to prove, she moves on. If they don't, it's a lost cause, nothing else she can do, time to explore new horizons. Either way, she's gone. This is her last year at Tennessee folks!!! I'll stake my turban, cape and reputation on this prediction (this was an easy one). ;)

I've been watching DD since she was a freshman. I commented (at that time) that there were 3 freshmen that I was impressed with. Tyler Scaife (Rutgers), Nina Davis (Baylor) and Diamond DeShields (North Carolina).
 
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CocoHusky said:
2017 is largely expected to be a weak WNBA draft class. Scaife-Rutgers, McCall-Stanford, Jessica Jackson-Arkansas, & Coates-South Carolina, Shatori Walker-Kimbrough-MD are some of the names in contention for the top spots. IMO diamond would be doing herself a favor because she would stand taller in this draft than competing with Turner and Wilson a year later.
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If DD goes this year she might end up in Seattle, playing with Sue, Stewie, and Jewell might be the best thing that ever happened to her.
 
Diamond has the skills to be a first team AA, I look forward to UT returning to elite basketball. I believe this year is their last chance to either break through or bust. UT is the only team in the last 20 years to come even close to UCONN 's level for a sustained period.
 
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JordyG said:
Thankfully the law isn't based on your loose assumption of the truth. At some point we must all agree on some objective truth or else we couldn't post replies.
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Ha if the law could actually define all truth --then we'd know what is means. What is the meaning of "objective" ??
 
i don't see any issue with her being excited and setting the highest goals possible. i rem stewie saying she wanted to win 4 titles and she did. now, they have different attitudes and personalities but diamond seems to get a lot of grief on here. to my knowledge, she has never said anything bad about UCONN. in fact, she has always admired your coach and success. she's a kid and from a VERY successful family of athletes. i think it comes from that. :)
 
Carnac said:
I've held the envelope up to my temple......the answer: The WNBA. Now, after tearing open the envelope, blowing into it, and removing the contents, I'll read the question....."Where will Diamond DeShields be playing AFTER this coming season?

Reasoning: With an ego such as hers, coupled with the fact that she will be eligible to enter the WNBA draft in April 2017, What makes you think she's going to stay for another year (as we all know, she's a red shirt junior, and like Morgan Tuck, will be eligible to leave) in Rocky Top, if she has other options, whether or not she (and or her team) has a good year? If they have a good year, she has nothing left to prove, she moves on. If they don't, it's a lost cause, nothing else she can do, time to explore new horizons. Either way, she's gone. This is her last year at Tennessee folks!!! I'll stake my turban, cape and reputation on this prediction (this was an easy one). ;)

I've been watching DD since she was a freshman. I commented (at that time) that there were 3 freshmen that I was impressed with. Tyler Scaife (Rutgers), Nina Davis (Baylor) and Diamond DeShields (North Carolina).
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A tip of the hat to the turban!! If DD went into the draft right now--or that she remains constant until April--what does the envelope hold for her (i.e number ) in april??? Her potential has been high--but it is mostly potential for her. I've seen moments within games where I said now thats the real DD! but who or what is the real DD??
 
A few more thoughts:

I agree with Carnac--I'm confident Diamond will be in the W next season.

I didn't like the quote, because she focused on personal goals. I think those are great, but they should come AFTER the team goals, which are notably missing from the quote.

Diamond has outstanding athleticism. That's different from basketball skills and abilities. It's certainly different from decision making. I'd rate her great on athleticism, good to very good on skills and abilities, and average to poor on decision making.

I hope Diamond gets strong coaching over the next handful of years, so she can reach her potential. I believe she was on the pre-season AA list last year and none of the post-season lists, maybe not even at the honorable mention level. Don't let her cheat her talent.
 
unfortunately i tend to think she will leave after this year too. i hope i am wrong. two more years with russell and nared would be our best bet at a FF.
 
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