OT: Denver - Baltimore

[Dove]

How many people are going to blame this loss on Peyton Manning, who makes a midget wr and a hippy wr look good. Bottom line the Ravens deserved to win that game the game was over once the Ravens sent it to OT.

In OT the Ravens were going home until Flacco found Pitta up the middle. They were looking at punting from their 5 yard line. Probably sure defeat.

 

[Scoe]

In OT the Ravens were going home until Flacco found Pitta up the middle. They were looking at punting from their 5 yard line. Probably sure defeat.

Yep that play too, the Ravens escaped defeat twice.

 

[upstater]

Yeah, it's almost impossible to separate the two, and you can't have it both ways.

I claim that it's because of Belichick. The evidence (and really the only possible evidence to break the tie) is that the Patriots still went 11-5 with Matt Cassel.

It's bad reasoning.

1. They went 18-1 the year before. So there was a 7 game dropoff.
2. The year before, they faced 10 playoff teams during the regular season. In Cassel's year, they faced 2.
3. In 2010, Cassel had a much better year stat-wise with the Chiefs than he did with the Patriots in 2008, one of the league leaders, and he even made the Pro Bowl.

People keep talking about the Indy dropoff from 2010 to 2011 but what about the Indy resurgence to 11 wins in 2012? Surely, you can't give Luck all the credit. Isn't it likelier that they were tanking on purpose with Curtis Painter in there? I mean, they put Orlovsky in there at the end of year and he actually won two games (after the first pick was almost assured).

Here are the killer facts for me in comparing the two:

1. Brady has a higher passer rating outdoors
2. Brady has the higher passer rating in domes
3. Manning has the higher overall passer rating

When you put all these 3 facts together, you really start to wonder a little bit about the advantages of playing in a dome.

 

[upstater]

How many people are going to blame this loss on Peyton Manning, who makes a midget wr and a hippy wr look good. Bottom line the Ravens deserved to win that game the game was over once the Ravens sent it to OT.

Reggie Wayne and Pierre Garcon didn't have too bad seasons this year. They were pretty good.

 

[upstater]

It's funny. When people talk about Belichick's success they say it's all because of Brady. A lot of the same people talk about Brady's success and they say it is because of the system. Which of course is Belichick's system.

The system has actually changed multiple times. Go back and look at Charlie Weis's offense. Totally different.

 

[upstater]

I'm not sure what the argument for Manning over Brady is these days. Let alone Manning over Montana.

Peyton is easily in the top five all time for QBs, and he's in my top three. But there really isn't much tangible evidence to say he's had a better career than Brady.

If I had to play a Super Bowl tomorrow, I'd take Marino over Manning.

 

[Scoe]

Reggie Wayne and Pierre Garcon didn't have too bad seasons this year. They were pretty good.

I didnt even mention the name Reggie Wayne or Pierre Garcon. I never said Peyton never had good receivers, I said he can make any receiver look good. By midget receiver I was talking about Brandon Stokley, and by hippie receiver I was talking about Eric Decker. Demarius Thomas is a real good big play receiver.

 

[upstater]

I didnt even mention the name Reggie Wayne or Pierre Garcon. I never said Peyton never had good receivers, I said he can make any receiver look good. By midget receiver I was talking about Brandon Stokley, and by hippie receiver I was talking about Eric Decker. Demarius Thomas is a real good big play receiver.

I knew who you were referring to. And it's obvious he makes players like Decker really good (Stokely however has had success outside Peyton'a aura). I do think much of the loss was on Peyton's head last night. He was spotted 2 TDs and kind of turtled into his shell. For me, it looked like the Peyton from the first half of his career. Even the optics were bad, he was freezing out there, the only one wearing a parka at the OT coin flip. He just never seems to get it that optics count, his demeanor out there counts. He's very much like Marino who was often flustered.

 

[Scoe]

I knew who you were referring to. And it's obvious he makes players like Decker really good (Stokely however has had success outside Peyton'a aura). I do think much of the loss was on Peyton's head last night. He was spotted 2 TDs and kind of turtled into his shell. For me, it looked like the Peyton from the first half of his career. Even the optics were bad, he was freezing out there, the only one wearing a parka at the OT coin flip. He just never seems to get it that optics count, his demeanor out there counts. He's very much like Marino who was often flustered.

That I agree with, Eli is better in that area of not being flustered. Peyton is too mechanical, a part of it was the play calls, and the Ravens defense was better, Peyton had to earn all of his yards last night. The Broncos should have ran some more screen passes and less 5 step drop back passes which help the Ravens get to him easier and throw off his rhythm.