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Whether you believe the NFL and their scanty evidence or not let's put part of this cell phone canard to rest. The league NEVER asked Brady to surrender his cell. Few people would surrender such. What they asked was for him to surrender a print out of what BRADY would consider as texts relevant to the case. This is what was so puzzlingly refused.

Your comment concerning Brady's phone is not entirely correct.

"Brady was able to obtain a log of all his phone calls and text messages, and since he had not changed phone numbers, this included calls and messages during the mysterious four-month gap. These were cross-referenced against communications listed in the Wells Report, and for the most part (with the exception of three missing texts) they matched, as Wells was given access to both Jastremski and McNally’s Patriots-supplied work phones. This is one of Brady’s strongest arguments that there are no missing damaging text messages: since Wells had access to Jastremski and McNally’s side of any damning conversations with Brady, why did he need Brady’s messages?

Of course, Wells wasn’t solely looking for Brady’s communication with Jastremski and McNally, but also whether he had used a variety of deflation-related terms with anybody else. And as pointed out in the NFL’s questioning of Brady, there are also three texts exchanged with Jastremski on February 7 that do not appear in the Wells Report:

Q. Let’s look back at NFL Exhibit 96, the letter from Mr. Yee to Commissioner Goodell. And I’m directing your attention to page 3 of the letter in the middle of the page. After Number 2, Jastremski, toward the end of that paragraph, it says, “The phone bills also show three text message exchanges on February 7, 2015 between 8:21 p.m. and 8:33 p.m. These occurred after the Super Bowl and were not mentioned or referenced in the Wells report.”

"As for the emails Wells originally requested, Brady had more luck in finding these. On June 3 his forensic examiner catalogued all 5,317 emails Brady sent or received between Sept. 1, 2014 and March 1, 2015. These emails were searched for the following terms:
k-ball, kball, gage, air-pump, airpump, needle, pin, PSI, pounds per square inch, 12.5, bladder, McNally, Bird, 1 pound, 1 lb, one pound, one lb, 2 pound, 2 lb, two pound, two lb, gaug* [the * means that all variations of “gaug” were included, such as gauge, gauging, gauged etc.], pump*, inflat*, deflat*, (game OR kick*) ball ~2 [this means Brady’s emails were searched to see whether the words “game” or “kick*” were found within two words of “ball”], (prep* OR rub*) AND (ball OR football) ~10, (investigat* OR meet* OR discuss* OR question) AND (championship OR Jan* 18 OR 1/18), investigat* AND (ball OR football OR Ind* OR Colts) ~10, (equilib* OR atmosphere* OR climat* OR environment* OR test* OR experiment) AND (ball OR football) ~10

"All the emails that came up in those searches were submitted as evidence in the ongoing suit, and we are still working our way through all of them (you can get a taste here). But from the forensic examiner’s report it seems like none of them were particularly relevant. For instance, the word bladder was found twice, both times referring to the human body, and the only time “one pound” was used was when discussing eating protein. A bunch of finance emails are included, as Brady discussed the economic concepts of deflation or inflation with others."
 
I posted this:



My post clearly suggested bias due to them being Patriot fans. And your rebuttal was this:



A reasonable person would assume you were saying he wasn't a Boston-based academic and therefore without bias. If you were honest about his fandom I wouldn't have had to Google him.

And for the record, I didn't call him or any of the Brady/Patriot supporters pseudo scientists. It is their arguments that are pseudo-science.

Believe me, I have nothing but contempt for the NFL commissioner. Their history with regards to domestic violence and traumatic head injuries has soured me to the entire sport.

A reasonable person would have read his article where he identifies himself as a Patriots fan in the very first sentence.
 
I posted this:



My post clearly suggested bias due to them being Patriot fans. And your rebuttal was this:



A reasonable person would assume you were saying he wasn't a Boston-based academic and therefore without bias. If you were honest about his fandom I wouldn't have had to Google him.

And for the record, I didn't call him or any of the Brady/Patriot supporters pseudo scientists. It is their arguments that are pseudo-science.

Believe me, I have nothing but contempt for the NFL commissioner. Their history with regards to domestic violence and traumatic head injuries has soured me to the entire sport.

I'd also appreciate links to the articles you claim are pseudoscience. I'll confess to having spent far more time than reasonable researching this, at least a dozen scientific articles about the Wells Report, everything from AEI's analysis to Drew Fustin to Robert Blecker and not a single one supports Wells' methodology or their conclusions.
 
Whether you believe the NFL and their scanty evidence or not let's put part of this cell phone canard to rest. The league NEVER asked Brady to surrender his cell. Few people would surrender such. What they asked was for him to surrender a print out of what BRADY would consider as texts relevant to the case. This is what was so puzzlingly refused.

I think they had all they needed regarding texts From the other phones.

And if they didn't ask for it, why have a baby when he destroyed it. Especially after he provided them with texts which they disclose that was not related to the alleged incident.

They had nothing, So they had to go fishing. When you have all the evidence you need against me, no need to ask me for nothing else.

We can put this to rest now. Evidence? (Probable) than not he was aware?

Try using that in a court of law. See how puzzling the judge would be.
 
Air does not exactly come out of "car tires, bicycles, basketballs, and ballons etc. and just about anything containing air."

The molecules contract as the temperature decreases.

What the hell. You serious?
 
What the hell. You serious?
???

It's possible for air to leak out of a ball with a faulty valve, but within the few hour timeframe involved with Deflate-____, the Ideal Gas Law applies better than all 11 tested balls having a faulty valve. Occum's Razor.
 
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What the hell. You serious?

Husky may not have been as precise in his language as wished. This is what I replied to an earlier post of yours.

Just have to quibble with one point. And just to preface my remarks I've seen similar comments made in other forums that claim it provides evidence of ball tampering. Air does not need to exit a football in order for PSI to decrease. The PSI decreases because the gas (air) contracts. I can't count the number of comments I've seen on other websites that claimed because of the inner bladder and leather covering, sufficient air couldn't have escaped in order to lower the PSI when the fact is that no air needed to escape in order to account for the PSI change. That's not to say that some air couldn't have escaped due to handling during the game, but it would have been insignificant relative to the affect of temperature.
 
Husky may not have been as precise in his language as wished. This is what I replied to an earlier post of yours.

Just have to quibble with one point. And just to preface my remarks I've seen similar comments made in other forums that claim it provides evidence of ball tampering. Air does not need to exit a football in order for PSI to decrease. The PSI decreases because the gas (air) contracts. I can't count the number of comments I've seen on other websites that claimed because of the inner bladder and leather covering, sufficient air couldn't have escaped in order to lower the PSI when the fact is that no air needed to escape in order to account for the PSI change. That's not to say that some air couldn't have escaped due to handling during the game, but it would have been insignificant relative to the affect of temperature.

I read that already. The point is air or gas law. Don't matter which it is. The point is, as it has been proven by a kid. The ball when even left alone lost 2 PSI.

I get it. I understand you fully.
 
We can argue air and gas laws all night.

This fact remains. There was no reliable or trustworthy evidence TB12 DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY deflated any footballs.

None....Except probabilities
 
We can argue air and gas laws all night.

This fact remains. There was no reliable or trustworthy evidence TB12 DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY deflated any footballs.

None....Except probabilities

Agree. Neither is there any evidence that McNally, Jastremski or any other Patriots staff did so.
 
1. The only person who ever referred to McNally as the "deflator" was McNally himself in a single text message in May of 2014. Part of the big lie in this entire process has been the notion that he was known as the deflator, when his nickname was actually "bird".

Just one thing to mention about this point: The deflategate truthers insist that McNally using the term "deflator" must be taken literally. They believe there can be no other interpretation of the word.

How would they explain his nickname of "Bird," then? Is he literally a bird? Or does he belong to a race of bird-like creatures that live among us? If "deflator" must be interpreted 100% literally, then "bird" must be also, which wouldn't make any sense.

Or they could admit that words can have more than one meaning and, when you're talking about banter between friends and nicknames, may not be used in their traditional sense. Being truthers, though, they will never accept that.
 
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???

It's possible for air to leak out of a ball with a faulty valve, but within the few hour timeframe involved with Deflate-____, the Ideal Gas Law applies better than all 11 tested balls having a faulty valve. Occum's Razor.
Didn't you ever spit on valves as a kid to make sure they weren't leaking. They often leak.
 
Didn't you ever spit on valves as a kid to make sure they weren't leaking. They often leak.
The probability that 11 leaky valves are in play is not as likely as the Ideal Gas law. Not in in the time frame in question.
 
This guy is saying the same thing I was declaring on day one of the so called alleged scandal. "Deflated Balls Are Worst For Performance Than An Inflated Ball"



Haters need to jump off the hater train and go home. Pack it in. We who know better knew Goodell had it in for NE.

And it's really sad, that this commissioner got away with highway robbery.

Goodell declared the patriots organization innocent. Said, "we just want TB12, not you Kraft & Bill, give us your boy! And umm, I'm taking your 1st round draft pick for 2106, your 4th round pick in 2017, and keep your hands up while I'm still talking because I need a million to go with that"

Well I'll be dam Goodell, "I thought you said we could go, we were innocent" lol.

...The refs during the jets game against NE violated league policy EXCEEDING THE FOOTBALL TO 16 PSI. But The Blind Man Still Think TB12 Tampered with the footballs?
 
This was a comment on a Profootball Talk article about false statements the NFL's lawyer made in court during the appeal hearing. It sums things up very nicely:

Goodell lied about the data, lied about Brady’s testimony, lied about who suspended the ball guys, falsely accused the Pats of switching k-balls (until it emerged an NFL official was stealing them), and he used a fraudulent report which furthermore dismissed the ref’s testimony about which needle was used. Goodell lied about the independence of the Wells report and it’s unannounced NFL co-author, lied about the Pats denying Wells access to the ball guys (Pats merely said the 5th interrogation would need to be by phone because the guy had a full-time job elsewhere). Goodell denied Brady a fair appeal, made much of Brady “destroying” his phone but then refused to accept Brady’s phone logs offered up at the appeal, oh and he leaked Brady’s generously-given private emails. Then he further exaggerated Wells’ finding into “a scheme” despite no additional evidence. Then he ran to a court of his choice before his victim could even respond. Every step and every breath by Goodell has reeked of lies and destroyed integrity on this case.

There are still people who hate the Patriots so much that they believe everything Goodell's been saying. Then again, there are still people who believe that Mike Nifong was right or that Richard Jewell was guilty.
 
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