OT: Chad Ford on the Bobcats

[Burnsbros23]

Ok so where do you personally rank Kemba? I try to catch bobcats game when i can and feel I have had some bad luck haven't really seen kemba play well.

1.Paul
2.Rose
3.Parker
4.Westbrook
5.Irving
6.Rondo
7.Curry
8.Williams
9.Holiday
10.Lawson
11.Lillard
12.Conley

I think you could make the agrument here for Kemba. Kemba, Jeff Teague, Dragic, Lin, Jennings, Grevis Vasquez. I think that is the group where he belongs. He needs to improve his overall shooting and playmaking. Now obviously being on the bobcats hurts both those things but it also allows him to take 16 shots a game.

 

[nomar]

Ok so where do you personally rank Kemba? I try to catch bobcats game when i can and feel I have had some bad luck haven't really seen kemba play well.

1.Paul
2.Rose
3.Parker
4.Westbrook
5.Irving
6.Rondo
7.Curry
8.Williams
9.Holiday
10.Lawson
11.Lillard
12.Conley

I think you could make the agrument here for Kemba. Kemba, Jeff Teague, Dragic, Lin, Jennings, Grevis Vasquez. I think that is the group where he belongs. He needs to improve his overall shooting and playmaking. Now obviously being on the bobcats hurts both those things but it also allows him to take 16 shots a game.

I can't say I'd put him above any of those 12. But I think he's in the ballpark with the last 3. I do think he's better than the next tier, although Teague is having a good year (as is Dragic). I used to like Jennings but he stopped improving and the guy can't guard a chair.

I guess part of it, for me, is how much improvement he's shown from Year 1 to Year 2. He's finishing at the rim much, much better, and he's 3rd in the NBA in steals. And I do think his numbers -- which are pretty good if not flashy -- are depressed because of how bad his teammates are. He's never going to be a 10 apg guy, but I think it's fair to say that his being on Charlotte is costing him 1-2 assists a night.

 

[Burnsbros23]

Jennings has way more talent then he is showing. He has the ability to average near ten assist a game. But hes leaving a lot to be desired.

Kemba really has shown that he is a true PG. It was silly the talk of him not being a true PG predraft. On a good team Kemba really could give you near eight assist a night.

 

[Zerosumgame]

Ty Lawson deron Williams jrue Holliday Damian lillard are quite a but better than kemba. He is right there with wall and Rubio tho. Don't get how u don't mention him.

I like Kemba, but I don't think he's better than any of the other players you mentioned except maybe Wall (who has looked very good in his recent form) just from watching games. The NBA is a funny league. You cannot take statistics from a broken team and apply them to a good team regardless of their efficiency. Demarcus Cousins has a higher PER than anyone that has been mentioned in this thread. If you actually watch him he's a player that actively hurts his team in games and is the ring leader of the league's biggest underachiever.

When I watch Kemba, he's clearly a talent, but the team is too much a of a mess to really make a judgement. He plays on a team with no system, coaching consistency, or leadership, and puts up decent numbers on the worst offensive team in the league. What does that really mean? He's only ever been cast as a ball-dominant scoring guard around inferior players. From what I've seen he definitely tries to distribute more this year than last, but still isn't really his game (that will come later) and it's generally ineffective (probably because his team is atrocious). Could he be as successful and efficient on a better team with a good system in place while deferring to better players? Hopefully Charlotte improves from being historical terrible or he gets a chance somewhere else so we can really see what he as to offer as a player. Until then, you can't really conclude that much.

 

[nomar]

Good post, zero. I don't agree with *everything* you said, but I see all of your points.

I've already said my piece on PER. You have to look at why someone's PER is so high or low to determine how reflective it is of a player's production. With Cousins's, it's easy to see the disconnect. The guy is talented as hell. He can throw up 30 & 15 in 30 minutes, easy. But then he can go 3-15 from the floor the next night because he only feels like taking 15-footers. So the PER isn't reflective of what you're going to get on a nightly basis. But it is reflective of his upside and why a number of GMs would be willing to take him despite him being a headcase.

 

[BearJWS]

If Kemba was surrounded by front court players who could actually score, he'd easily average at least 4+ more assists, pushing him into the 9+ range and raising his stature in the NBA. Really, he's playing with Bismack Biyombo, Josh McRoberts, Tyrus Thomas, BJ Mullens, Brendon Haywood, Jeff Adrien & Michael Kidd Gilchrist. Until Charlotte gets a big who can score, Walker is stuck in the situation that he's in. He needs to score for Charlotte, just like at UConn.... because no one else can score! A man without a team.

 

[tzznandrew]

I shouldnt of thrown knight in there. Kemba would not score 17 a game on the nuggets his assist would go up but scoring would come down quite a bit. OK so according to you Jose Calderon is the 8th best pg in the league.

To me averaging 17 an 5 on a terrible team isnt impressive at all. He is shooting 42 percent from the field and 31 percent from three.

If he were on the Nuggets, while his scoring would go down, his shooting percentages would certainly go up.

His PER is very good. That's not the end-all-be-all, but I think you're underselling him a bit.

 

[BearJWS]

If he were on the Nuggets, while his scoring would go down, his shooting percentages would certainly go up.

His PER is very good. That's not the end-all-be-all, but I think you're underselling him a bit.

Every NBA team knows, to beat the Bobcats, you have to shut Kemba down because they know no one else can score on the Bobcats. Really, who does Kemba have to pass to? 1 on 4/5 every game. Their best players are all backcourt players. It is what it is. It's not Kemba's fault. Get some other guys who can score.

 

[uconnbill]

Jennings has way more talent then he is showing. He has the ability to average near ten assist a game. But hes leaving a lot to be desired.

Kemba really has shown that he is a true PG. It was silly the talk of him not being a true PG predraft. On a good team Kemba really could give you near eight assist a night.

What you do on the floor means more than what he can do. I think Jennings is very talented but is way to full of himself and will continue to play below his talent level till he grows up.

Kemba plays on the worst team in pro basketball and has very little around him and has to do more than many others you mention. While he is not a top 10 Pg. He is much closer to tenth then many other pg in the NBA

 

[Scoe]

John Wall is up there and yes I would still take him number 1 in the 2010 NBA draft despite what people have said.

 

[superjohn]

Taurasi is quicker than Kemba and John Wall.